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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
Another example of the vast gulf between online politics and real-world politics. Any politicians or party calling for an age limit on voting would be committing electoral suicide. It would also be unconstitutional. Which is why it hasn’t been introduced by any government anywhere.
Meanwhile, restricting voting to citizens is a near-universal norm in democracies around the globe.
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It’s still funny to bring up, partly because it triggers “liberals” (hard quotes), but mostly because it almost always effectively showcases the cognitive dissonance that exists on these topics. Having permanent residents who pay taxes and may do so for 10, 20, or 30+ years before being able to vote on how their taxes are spent is no less absurd than allowing someone who will be dead in 5 years to vote (of course, they might live to 100! which is why the example is just an example, despite what people who think online isn’t real-life can comprehend).
That said, let’s not let facts get in the way:
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...-voting-rights
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How about being able to vote in national elections after just one year of residence in a new country? New Zealand has used such a system since 1975 to offer expansive voting rights to legally present noncitizens.
Around the world, the ability of emigrants to vote in their origin countries and of immigrants to vote in their residence countries have fluctuated over the years, but have generally increased. These rights tend to be limited and almost always depend on legal status and government oversight. Where such rights are offered, some but not all migrants are often eligible to vote in some but not all elections, such as for local ordinances but not national office.
There can be significant misinformation and mischaracterization of immigrants’ eligibility to vote, as there has been recently in the United States. Noncitizens, whether lawfully or unlawfully present, are legally barred from voting in U.S. federal elections and no state permits noncitizen voting in statewide elections. A small number of U.S. municipalities in California, Maryland, and Vermont, as well as the District of Columbia, permit noncitizen voting in certain local elections. Immigrant voting is more widespread elsewhere. For example, EU citizens living in another EU Member State enjoy many social and economic benefits, as well as some voting rights, in their new country without having to acquire citizenship—at least until a rupture such as the United Kingdom’s withdrawal from the European Union pushes them to get a different status or naturalize to keep those rights.
Throughout history, governments at various levels around the world have allowed non-naturalized immigrants and emigrants—and sometimes their descendants—to participate in elections. In the United States, 40 states had policies at various points between independence in 1776 and the outbreak of World War II in 1939 allowing noncitizen men to vote.
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I mean, I can vote in the US despite having lived here permanently since I was a teenager. If I ever have a child, they too will be able to vote in US elections… even if they never, ever, live in the US.
But hey, those are just some of the “norms” of democracies around the world. We shouldn’t give into WEF crazies by ever, ever questioning any of these norms, ever.