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Old 04-23-2024, 03:23 PM   #6153
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Originally Posted by opendoor View Post
You're conflating very different things though. The US didn't directly kill hundreds of thousands of civilians in the Middle East. The vast majority of civilian deaths occurred as a result of the insurgency, terrorist actions, and sectarian violence after the invasion. Based on the Iraq Body Count Project, only about 25K civilian deaths are attributable to US/coalition forces (and that includes Iraqi forces). You talk about Fallujah; there were an estimated 600-700 civilian deaths total in the nearly 2-month second battle. That's about 4 days worth of civilian deaths in Gaza.

Obviously the US was still ultimately responsible for setting the chain reaction that resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths. But to compare civilian death numbers between that and Israel directly killing civilians with bombs is ridiculous.
This is literally false, and quite honestly is complete hogwash.

There are a certain number of deaths that are indirect as a result of suicide bombers and other actions, such as actions by Iraqi Military or other civilian deaths as a result of ISIS or insurgent activity, but there are still tens of thousands of civilians deaths as a DIRECT result of US actions in Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries. I am talking about direct US action resulting in civilian deaths. This includes airstrike, drone strikes, artillery, direct action missions, etc.

So yes the US has directly killed civilians, and even relaxed airstrike rules as an example in 2017 that lead to almost a 300% increase in civilian deaths at one point. The also have a military strategy in place where strikes were approved KNOWING that there would be civilian casualties.
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