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Originally Posted by Red Potato Standing By
Has it been won? I think Hamas achieved exactly what they set out to do and that was to expose Israel to what they are. End of the day, it’s the Palestinian civilians that are paying the price for both side’s stupidity.
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Actually I think Hamas effed up seriously, every indication was they didn't expect or plan for the success they had on Oct 7th or the butchery that it came with and so the Israeli response has been beyond their expectations as well.
Gaza has been destroyed, it will take decades to rebuild, vast numbers of Gazans will leave if they can, Israel will be a bit of a pariah for a few years, mostly until Netanyahu is gone but ultimately this will be seen like Lebanon in '82, in a few years life will go back to where it was pre Oct 7th, Israel will live with a low level war on its borders which it did before, the West Bank will still lose land, which it would anyway, Saudi Arabia will quietly sign treaties with Israel, nothing will have changed for the almost total destruction of Gaza, in fact it may all work out in Israel's favour, Hamas has been almost destroyed on the ground in Gaza, and while Israel has clearly over reacted if you are a Gazan you know clearly that if Oct 7th hadn't happened your Grandma, son or Daughter would still be alive, you may hate Israel but the average Gazan will likely have no love for Hamas either and now they have no boots on the ground in Gaza, I can see this being the end of them on the ground there.