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Enoch Root · 03-07-2024, 08:40 AM

Some discussion about whether all the trades should be looked at in the aggregate or not - of course they should, because that is what matters to the Flames, and will define the team going forward. Also, individual players have different values to different people, so saying this return was good, and that return was bad, is simply a function of your own perceived value of the player.

With respect to this trade, not seeing the reason for hating the conditions - all they mean is that the 1st could turn out to be more valuable.

2024: 20-32.
2025: 10-32
2026: 1-32
I am hoping Vegas exercises the conditions and gives us the 2026 - who wouldn't want the better odds?

And the 3rd can become a 2nd - oh noes!

And Miromanov is a mid-level prospect. Not terrible, by the way, as he has already played NHL games, and will for the Flames, so this isn't a Hanowski situation. Also, Miromanov has a higher PPG in the AHL than Poirier.

But in the end, it comes down to the total return of all the trades:

Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifin --> Sharangovich, Kuzmenko, Miromanov, Grushnikov, Brzustewicz, Jurmo, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd (could become 2nd), 3rd, 3rd, conditional 3rd, 4th (could become 3rd), 5th

The Flames wanted to get younger and rebuild the prospect base. They definitely did that. Knowing they were losing 3 dmen, they wanted to restock the D depth - they did that pretty well(along with the return of Kylington, and the pickups of Pachal and Hanley).

Essentially, the Flames got 2 extra years of draft picks: 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd/possible 2nd, 2 more 3rds, a conditional 3rd and a 4th that can become a 3rd, and a 5th. That all basically equates to 2 years of a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th.

They also added Brzustewicz, who was a 3rd in last year's draft. So that means that, starting last year, their picks in the top 3 rounds are:

2023: 4 (16, 48, 75, 80)
2024: 5 (10-12, 25-32, 42-46, 50-62, 74-76 + maybe another late 3rd)
2025: 5 (1-32, 11-32, 33-45, 3rd that could be a 2nd, 65-75)
2026: 4 (so far)

If anyone doesn't see that as franchise-altering, I don't know what to say to you. And all of that is on top of already having a middle of the pack prospect list.

Trade Markstrom to a) add to the list, and b) improve the picks we already have, and I give the Flames very high marks for what they've done.

Oh, let's not forget a ton of cap space to add more assets with. As of today, they have 18 contracts for $67M, leaving them with $20M in space. Add Coronato and Kylington, for maybe $3.5M. If they trade Markstrom, either now or in the summer, add another $6M. HUGE opportunities still to come with cap space.

All this has been done while making the on ice product younger and more entertaining.

Hell of a job from Conroy so far, IMO.

03-07-2024, 08:40 AM	#1758
Enoch Root Franchise Player Join Date: May 2012 Exp:	Some discussion about whether all the trades should be looked at in the aggregate or not - of course they should, because that is what matters to the Flames, and will define the team going forward. Also, individual players have different values to different people, so saying this return was good, and that return was bad, is simply a function of your own perceived value of the player. With respect to this trade, not seeing the reason for hating the conditions - all they mean is that the 1st could turn out to be more valuable. 2024: 20-32. 2025: 10-32 2026: 1-32 I am hoping Vegas exercises the conditions and gives us the 2026 - who wouldn't want the better odds? And the 3rd can become a 2nd - oh noes! And Miromanov is a mid-level prospect. Not terrible, by the way, as he has already played NHL games, and will for the Flames, so this isn't a Hanowski situation. Also, Miromanov has a higher PPG in the AHL than Poirier. But in the end, it comes down to the total return of all the trades: Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifin --> Sharangovich, Kuzmenko, Miromanov, Grushnikov, Brzustewicz, Jurmo, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd (could become 2nd), 3rd, 3rd, conditional 3rd, 4th (could become 3rd), 5th The Flames wanted to get younger and rebuild the prospect base. They definitely did that. Knowing they were losing 3 dmen, they wanted to restock the D depth - they did that pretty well(along with the return of Kylington, and the pickups of Pachal and Hanley). Essentially, the Flames got 2 extra years of draft picks: 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd/possible 2nd, 2 more 3rds, a conditional 3rd and a 4th that can become a 3rd, and a 5th. That all basically equates to 2 years of a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. They also added Brzustewicz, who was a 3rd in last year's draft. So that means that, starting last year, their picks in the top 3 rounds are: 2023: 4 (16, 48, 75, 80) 2024: 5 (10-12, 25-32, 42-46, 50-62, 74-76 + maybe another late 3rd) 2025: 5 (1-32, 11-32, 33-45, 3rd that could be a 2nd, 65-75) 2026: 4 (so far) If anyone doesn't see that as franchise-altering, I don't know what to say to you. And all of that is on top of already having a middle of the pack prospect list. Trade Markstrom to a) add to the list, and b) improve the picks we already have, and I give the Flames very high marks for what they've done. Oh, let's not forget a ton of cap space to add more assets with. As of today, they have 18 contracts for $67M, leaving them with $20M in space. Add Coronato and Kylington, for maybe $3.5M. If they trade Markstrom, either now or in the summer, add another $6M. HUGE opportunities still to come with cap space. All this has been done while making the on ice product younger and more entertaining. Hell of a job from Conroy so far, IMO.