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Matty81 · 02-26-2024, 10:06 AM

Problem was the premier league didn't set any standards which they should have done as far as points per dollar. So this Everton case was always going to become the legal/administrative precedent and everyone knew it would take a long time. The next ones should get quicker and quicker.

My understanding:
For 2021 year end Everton lost 124.5 million over the previous three years, allowable losses were about 35 million a season-ish. So they got punished roughly a loss or 3 points for each 10 million pounds over as of this final decision.

As I understand it, the breach wasn't debated at the appeal, Everton accepted guilt, just argued the penalty. So we have a bar now.

Forest were 15 million over the limit for 2022. Their limit was way lower because they were only in the prem for one season so that was about a 50 million pound loss (35 mil allowed). Everton's 3 year losses again in 2022 were either 141 or 155 million, they are arguing with the EPL about some expense classification. But actually worse than 2021 even and a 40-50 million pound overage..

Total guess on my end, but my throw of the dart is Forest will lose 4 or 5 points and Everton might get smoked again with another, bigger penalty or at least another equal one.

The thing I think the EPL are working out now is because they're measuring based on 3 seasons, will Everton get a straight 9-12 point deduction as per these new rules for their losses over 2020, 2021 and 2022 or will they just fine them for the "new" 2022 losses using some kind of average which will probably be 4-7 pts.

Either way, pretty bad news for Everton to lose 6 points for a 20 million overage when they were even dumber the following season. I think they are going to lose at least another 6 pts and both Forest and Everton are realistically both sitting level or behind Luton right now in reality. I think both clubs deserve it. Especially forest, they have completely distorted the transfer market and their owner is a huge meathead. City's losses are more complicated as I understand they are more about fake sponsorships/fraud in their accounts? Haven't really looked into it, but I don't think they've gone over the losses in this new system. But I'm really glad to see these rules being enforced now moving forward... there's effectively a known spending cap in the prem now being enforced.

02-26-2024, 10:06 AM	#1452
Matty81 Franchise Player Join Date: Oct 2008 Exp:	Problem was the premier league didn't set any standards which they should have done as far as points per dollar. So this Everton case was always going to become the legal/administrative precedent and everyone knew it would take a long time. The next ones should get quicker and quicker. My understanding: For 2021 year end Everton lost 124.5 million over the previous three years, allowable losses were about 35 million a season-ish. So they got punished roughly a loss or 3 points for each 10 million pounds over as of this final decision. As I understand it, the breach wasn't debated at the appeal, Everton accepted guilt, just argued the penalty. So we have a bar now. Forest were 15 million over the limit for 2022. Their limit was way lower because they were only in the prem for one season so that was about a 50 million pound loss (35 mil allowed). Everton's 3 year losses again in 2022 were either 141 or 155 million, they are arguing with the EPL about some expense classification. But actually worse than 2021 even and a 40-50 million pound overage.. Total guess on my end, but my throw of the dart is Forest will lose 4 or 5 points and Everton might get smoked again with another, bigger penalty or at least another equal one. The thing I think the EPL are working out now is because they're measuring based on 3 seasons, will Everton get a straight 9-12 point deduction as per these new rules for their losses over 2020, 2021 and 2022 or will they just fine them for the "new" 2022 losses using some kind of average which will probably be 4-7 pts. Either way, pretty bad news for Everton to lose 6 points for a 20 million overage when they were even dumber the following season. I think they are going to lose at least another 6 pts and both Forest and Everton are realistically both sitting level or behind Luton right now in reality. I think both clubs deserve it. Especially forest, they have completely distorted the transfer market and their owner is a huge meathead. City's losses are more complicated as I understand they are more about fake sponsorships/fraud in their accounts? Haven't really looked into it, but I don't think they've gone over the losses in this new system. But I'm really glad to see these rules being enforced now moving forward... there's effectively a known spending cap in the prem now being enforced. Last edited by Matty81; 02-26-2024 at 10:15 AM.