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Originally Posted by Slava
^ I don’t know, I’m 100% in support of trans people, but I don’t think the issue boils down to people thinking males are better athletes. There’s a reason we have male and female categories in a lot of sports, and it’s not purely based on misogyny.
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The reason actually is based purely on misogyny. Look up the origins of why separate leagues were created and the history of womens’ sport.
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Originally Posted by Sliver
Like, how can an open minded guy like me not see your perspective? Are you really saying there is no physiological difference between trans women and cis women? What? Genuinely...can somebody help me grasp that? I don't love that I'm on the side of the people I generally loath (and keep in mind, I agree with 0.1% of their position on this), but when I hear the counters to that perspective it is totally unbelievable to me.
BTW, if I'm not being sensitive enough on this please let me know and I'm perfectly willing to just read the thread.
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It’s not that there is no difference, but that the differences between men and women generally (especially when you factor in different things like hormone therapy) are exaggerated compared to the differences that also exist between different men (for example).
Men don’t have a blanket advantage in sport. And I’m not just talking about non-physical sports like darts (though you should probably question why you only named completely non-physical sports). Read through this: [ur]https://www.sapiens.org/biology/female-male-athletes-differences/[/url]
Again, I just think it’s a load of crap to paint this as anything but targeted against trans women. Same with the bathroom stuff. Same with prison stuff. People don’t care about cis women or sports. In fact, people will rely on antiquated, misogynistic beliefs about women and men to create these generalities that just don’t hold up, or worse, think saying “it’s not
just misogyny” makes it better. I mean wow, it’s better because it’s misogyny AND something else? Nice!
Trans people existed and played sports long before anyone cared what sport they played and with who. And the people crying about fairness don’t seem to care about creating basketball leagues for short people, right? Should the NBA ban men over a certain height? Shouldn’t it be fair?
If the goal is to unearth and remove any unfair physical advantages in sport, it seems extremely bizarre to focus on trans women, a microscopically small source of any even potential physical advantages that could exist.