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Originally Posted by Sliver
Agreed.
I get that, but I think this one is different. I wouldn't give one single inch on any other part. I just happen to think they are being rational (busted clock and all) and it's the wrong take to pretend it's fair for transgender women to compete with CIS women.
It's also a rhetorical strategy to capitulate on a point you already agree with. It's the only good point they have on the whole issue, so give it to them and nothing more.
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You know I appreciate you, but we both know you’re being kind of disingenuous when you say “we” should give “them” this one, considering you’ve been against trans women participating in women’s sport for about as long as I can recall. Doesn’t mean I think you’re one of “them,” but on this issue you already side with them, it costs you nothing to say “we” should give it up.
The thing is, it’s not “rational.” It’s not about the sanctity of sport, fairness, or any other bull#### people are going to throw around about it. It’s symbolic. And that’s exactly why you can’t just “give it to them.”
There are a couple of points that make it very clearly symbolic and not rational or fact-based:
- the extremely low number of trans women competing in women’s sports to begin with and the complete inability to quantify the issue (most lawmakers and anti-trans activists struggle to come up with more than one anecdote, let alone a meaningful number)
- trans women, for all you know, have been competing in women’s sports for decades without anyone raising any issue, including other athletes or the governing bodies of those sports
- the objection is largely based on the sexist assumption that men are better at sports, as it is never about the specific advantages (which would apply to some women), specific sports (in which male biology would hold no advantage), nor about trans men. Instead, it comes back to basic, sexist nonsense like “it’s unfair for transgender women to compete with CIS women” based solely on the idea that when it comes to sport (any sport), any man > any woman.
So, no, nobody has to give anti-trans activists anything. Decisions around this should be rational and fact-based,
like the majority already are, and not made based on the unsubstantiated and anecdotal nonsense trumpeted by anti-trans activists.
I mean, hey, someone here once suggested creating an entire prison system solely for trans women because they might be rapists. They didn’t actually care about the issue of rape in prisons, but they did care about the issue of trans women. And that’s the same here. It’s not about sport, it’s about trans women.
If you say you don’t care about sport and instead care about the LGBTQ community, your position on this is an entirely at-odds one to take.