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Originally Posted by Sliver
At the lowest level of sport, things are already co-ed. My son at 16 just took an introduction to rugby course. It was two dudes and three girls all about the same age.
When my kids were in Timbits soccer it was co-ed.
There isn't an issue in low level sports.
It doesn't take long for sports to become highly competitive, though. I have a couple of friends who basically devote their lives to accommodating their kids' sports. I think when you're putting that much time, effort and money into an activity things certainly need to be fair.
I'm not opposed to the government assisting on this. People are very concerned about appearing to be anti-trans or questioning whether or not we can put any restrictions on trans athletes. I understand. The government could take the heat on this and I'm fine with removing community volunteers and such who are trying to navigate this stuff from being caught in the middle of bigots and wokers.
I think if we take a step back from trans issues as they relate to sports, though, we are greater allies to the trans community by giving in on the sports thing and disallowing trans women from competing with CIS women. I truly believe it does disarm what - for conservatives/bigots - is a mountain they have made out of a molehill. Take that talking point away from them and they really don't have a lot left to say that isn't blatantly ridiculous. We can always circle back to it, but let's focus on every single other issue as they relate to trans rights and concede this one itsy bitsy thing to give them a victory and let them know that we are looking at things rationally.
For the record I don't care about women's sports and I don't care about men's sports either. I do care about LGBTQ+ rights and equality, and I think acknowledging trans women competing with CIS females is problematic works toward helping the community short and medium term.
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I totally get what you are saying, and on the one hand the issue is actually more that kids are competing in hyper-competitive sports for no good healthy reason. Maybe backing off on that and just having fun sports leagues would go a lot further. But that's kinda tangential.
I think the resistance to "giving in" on this is that's exactly what they are looking for. Slowly whittle away at it until you can make the big moves, like they did with Roe v Wade. That wasn't overturned in a day, it took decades of work. So while you can reasonably argue some points, the big picture makes it a lot harder to say "let them have a small win." And you know damn well if the situation is reversed, their is not an inch being given, ever. They are bullies, and just like giving the bully your candy bar one time when they threatens you, it sure isn't going to stop at that.