[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I really think you're missing my point here.

Were I American, I would vote Biden, because the alternative is much worse.

This however does not make Biden a viable candidate, and in fact he's a real turd. The choice should not be eating a turd vs cutting off my dick however, and all the people saying "just eat the turd, it's better than cutting off your dick" are missing the point that no one wants to eat the turd. Obviously cutting off my dick and bleeding out in a ditch is worse, but I could still get pretty sick eating that turd. Some voters will decide they don't want to eat the turd either and will just stay home, and I think you'll see a far larger segment of voters in this set than last election.

Why can't I just have like, a slice of toast or a bagel?

This is a flawed analogy because it assumes you can avoid eating the turd if you stay home. In reality, you eat a turd if Biden wins the election; you're going to eat 10 turds if Trump wins the election. Those are your only choices. You can't escape eating turd, no matter what. The time to run a non-turd candidate was during the primary, however, there were no serious contenders willing to challenge Biden, so he's going to be the candidate.

You can eat one turd willingly to avoid eating the other 9. Or you can have all 10 forced down your throat. Which do you choose?

Reality is, when you live in a country where 40% of the population is on the koo-koo train, and much of the other 60% is on the part-time koo-koo train, you have to set aside your ideal ambitions and do what you can to stand in the way of those seeking to cause most harm. It sucks, but that's the reality of the country you live in. Harm reduction is not fun, it doesn't feel good, but it's necessary if you don't want your country to become a totalitarian hellhole.

TLDR - you can't have a slice of toast or a bagel because the population of the country you live in isn't voting for toasts or bagels. They are voting for turds. Denying this reality does no one any good.

You can’t blame people for not being excited to go out and eat a turd.

I'm not blaming anyone for not being excited about voting Biden. I'm just pointing out that the sensible things to do in this situation are 1) make the case for why voting for Biden is far better than any of the alternatives (voting 3rd party, staying home, or heaven forbid voting Trump), and 2) hold your nose and vote Biden in November.

Blaming voters for bad candidates is foolish, blame the party for not having any candidates that actually make the voter base excited.

Bernie ran twice and lost twice. The reason why progressives aren't breaking through and winning nominations isn't because there's a lack of progressives who want to be president, it's because the electorate isn't voting for progressives.

But you’ll get a worse turd then!

People stayed home or voted 3rd party in 2016, helping Trump win. Did that fix the problem? Did that suddenly cause the democrats to run some super exciting progressive candidate that the electorate rallied around? Nope. We got Biden.

The idea that revolting against the DNC and giving the WH to republicans leads to better candidates in the long run, is honestly bull####. It's an idea that seems to make sense in theory, but never actually plays out that way in real life.

Fine man whatever I’m eating #### either way so you’re not really selling me.

Well if you're going to be that flippant in glossing over the differences between Biden and Trump, it's a sign that you're being deliberately ignorant, and I don't see much point in continuing to talk to you.