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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon
The problem for creating peace in the region is that historically it hasn't mattered what Israel has done, it's existence has been enough to create ongoing violence against it, if you are an Israeli right now you are thinking the worst most brutal attack against Israeli citizens, Jews in the world in general since the second world war came after a period of sustained 20 year non intervention when Israel pulled all settlers out of Gaza, didnt interfere with the civilian administration and allowed vast numbers of Gazans to cross the border to work in Israel, all of the things that we as outsiders claim Israel should do to bring peace they pretty much did in Gaza and all it got them was raped and murdered citizens by the thousands.
If you are an Israeli voter the obvious inference from Oct 7th is peace is impossible and so the only path to security is through brutality and ethnic cleansing, at that point even if you dont want war, even if you want a peaceful solution you are going to think 'well I don't want my kids killed so I guess we have to kill all the other guys instead'
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I do agree with this, there is a bit of a one sided argument that is happening, which is the ceasefire from the Gaza perspective, and I do agree that the killing has to stop.
However any ceasefire, any truce any piece has to take into account the Israeli perspective. I don't think anyone will disagree that the events of Oct 7th were horrifying examples of terrorism and sadism. I would expect that given history of attacks even leading up to Oct 7th couldn't possibly have the same effect on the Israeli population that Oct 7th had, and there's very little sympathy for Gaza at the moment.
That's why any self managed ceasefire is going to fail, because Hamas is a group of politically saavy and dedicated psychopaths.
Any ceasefire agreement has to lead to security understandings on both sides, and a hard separation on both sides, especially if the hardcore radical elements in the Israeli and Hammas groups are allowed to self manage it.
On top of that, lets say that an observer group or peace enforcement element was put into place to punitively punish attacks.
Israel would never accept it being made up of middle eastern nations.
Hamas would never accept a Nato lead initiative.
Israel would never accept a UN lead initiative.