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Originally Posted by timun
Sigh... curves, you've go to be the single worst poster on CP for coming up with strawman arguments and total non-sequiturs that have NOTHING to do with what's going on. 85% of this post of yours is nonsense.
You've mischaracterized and invented fantasy scenarios that bear only a passing resemblance to reality. You're framing this argument as "the government" retaining info from parents, vs. keeping the parents informed: that's total BULL####. It's THE KIDS keeping info from their parents, not "random government administration". It's about the right of the KIDS to keep this information from their parents, and being able to confide in trusted teachers and friends.
Instead what the new bill is doing is INSERTING GOVERNMENT INTO IT, by ordering teachers to tell parents. Instead of allowing the kids the agency to make decisions about keeping their sexuality confidential—instead of allowing them a small glimmer of hope of being able to confide in a trusted adult at their school—that choice is taken away from them.
In effect, all it does is guarantee that those queer kids too afraid to tell their parents about it now have one less safe harbour.
You write "Parents will go to extreme lengths to assist and help their child, leaving no stone unturned," and I can't help but laugh. There are a lot of terrible parents out there. Boning somebody and front-poopin' a baby out nine months later doesn't make anyone an expert in anything. There are lots of parents of queer kids who've disowned them, sent 'em to "deprogramming" summer camps, or just tried to beat the gay out of 'em. Not every parent has their kid's best interests at heart.
Frankly you're a complete and utter idiot if you honestly believe that forcing teachers to out gay kids to their parents is "keeping government out of it": it's doing the exact opposite. Our UCP government are a bunch of hypocrites, and this policy is nothing but pandering to their socially-conservative base who are precisely the kinds of parents who'd disown or beat the #### out of their gay kids.
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I very may well be an idiot and I will be the first to admit that I don't understand this topic to the same degree that some others do. I personally don't have any strong connection to this specific topic personally. Some do and that is why they are concerned/passionate about it.
I will say though, considering the national media exposure this has achieved, it's important to understand a few things that are also occurring in jurisdictions, jurisdictions where there are a larger body of evidence, perhaps more oversight and even more specialists. Considering Alberta spends the most per capita on healthcare in Canada and we don't have surgeons to perform these surgeries, we may not be in a position to be an expert on this topic.
In the EU and in a lot of very progressive countries, there have been a slowing down, reassessment and stricter controls on this type of care. Perhaps, just perhaps, there may be an even bigger level of over diagnoses that may be occurring medically. France has made sweeping changes to their treatment in this regard,
including requiring parental consent.
The medical governing body in France WARNS that offering some of these treatments medically must done so in the greatest possible reserve. Official English translated documents from the French medical academy .
https://www.academie-medecine.fr/la-...cents/?lang=en
Other Euro countries are taking a more reserved approach
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuac...h=666e95af7efb
There are a lot more links, articles, medical opinions and so forth that go on and on for this debate for both sides. I really don't care or am bothered by this particular topic to the same degree some people. Your more than welcome to do your own searching if you wish.
I try to take a relaxed, middle ground approach to this like in Europe. In North America, we seem to be at each other's throat. Everything will work its self out. If this policy is WAY OFFSIDE with Albertans in all aspects, the political pressure will result in a change or change in government. If these changes run against specific legal concerns and legal challenges are brought up and the Government loses, then changes will need to be made.
One way or another things will workout but it may take time. Some aspects of these changes may be good or brutal depending on how some people feel. Some aspects of this will probably be changed or fine tuned or scrapped. Everybody has an opinion on this and not everybody, including myself have answers. Some people feel family Dr's should be heavily involved in these discussions while A LOT of countries in Europe take a medical approach along with a phycological approach. Yes, you need phycologists to sign off on this.
I realize that Alberta isn't Europe and vice versa but some people think parental consent, which was my initial post, is some radical concept from the Devil that is Danielle Smith and originated in Alberta.