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Originally Posted by GioforPM
The problem is the evidence of consent v. no consent. I actually think the original complaint was made by a relative, BTW.
The problem here will be the lack of an actual verbal indication at the time that there was no consent. All of them will say - no she was a willing participant and never said no. Plus, as I understand it, there was some text or phone communication right after the fact where the victim said she did consent.
On the other side will be any evidence that the accuseds should have know that there wasn't any consent - signs of impairment (and to what degree), the mere fact of whether any consent in that weird situation could be assmed no matter what. There the after the fact conversations might cut the other way - whoever contacted her must have done so because they knew it was questionable. Plus there may be some accused who cut a deal and give evidence against the others.
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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
As it pertains to securing a criminal conviction, maybe there’s not enough evidence.
Is there enough evidence for me as an individual to conclude these boys have acted disgracefully?
Yeah, there is.
And that’s before anyone flips.
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Yeah, both go these positions is basically where I'm at. Because of the videos and the texts giving consent (after the fact...) it may be enough to not convict anyone in the eyes of the law.
But what they did was despicable and I totally believe her story. In my personal view, a post gang rape coerced consent video is basically an admission of guilt. It would not surprise me at all if this happened often and or was even some sort of "tradition" or something. Hockey Canada needs a total reset from the top on down.