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Originally Posted by zunie75
Q, Bagor and Beninho, Out of curiosity, what is your expected outcome in this war vs what you hope happens? I only ask, since you folks are closer to the conflict than most and it looks like your opposing opinions likely mirror those of Israelis and Palestinians.
Seems like Q and Bagor have time and time again had to defend their position that Hamas was wrong in everything they have done, but Israel's response is very out of proportion. But I never see any acknowledgment of when will the Palestinian people take responsibility for Hamas and start joining the effort to eliminate Hamas.
Beninho, you seem less interested in any type of diplomacy and are fine with Israel's methods. You have even gone as far as calling the Palestinian people Nazis. How dare someone with your back ground, would stoop to that level. You are actually diminishing what happened to your people in WW2 by doing this. Give your head a shake buddy.
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I didn’t call Palestinians Nazis, i said Hamas has created a Nazi like state whose sole function is to attack Israel in the hopes of creating a wider geopolitical war that would see the destruction of Israel. Hamas has brainwashed the population of Gaza with the same imagery the Nazis used to describe Jews, thats why it was so easy for Hamas terrorists to rape and mutilate Jews on October 7th.
Seen here the type of antisemitic rhetoric they feed their children.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/11/05...ion-education/
My hope is that Israel destroys the military arm of Hamas which is currently being accomplished. Hamas has sewn itself into every fabric of Gaza society. They asked for this type of response on 10/7. I don’t take joy out of seeing civilians die but I also understand that this is part of war, especially when dealing with a group as embedded within the civilian population like Hamas is. My preferable outcome to all of this is once Hamas capitulates is for Gaza to be repaired, for there to be a temporary government maybe led by a coalition of states to help govern Gaza with self governance being the ultimate goal down the line. I’m not a geopolitical expert so I am not sure exactly what should happen or what will happen. You cannot just reward the Palestinians with a state after 10/7, that would not fly within the current climate in Israel. Their needs to be a form of trust built that will take years potentially even a decade or more. I am not sure. If you are asking what I would like to see happen is exactly what I wanted to see happen before 10/7. A two state solution where a Palestinian state is more worried about the well being of their population than the destruction of Israel.
Maybe you should also stop believe conspiracy theories like the one you just thanked which makes the dubious unsubstantiated claim the Israeli Government let Hamas carry out October 7th. Truly a conspiracy nut job take. It was a Jewish holiday and Shabbat, the border was less patrolled. Hamas did in fact catch Israel off guard. If you believe this is some master ploy by Netanyahu to wipe Gaza off the map then you have not actually paid attention to Israeli policy regarding Gaza for the past two decades. Netanyahu has always been the champion of Israeli security and to let the worst terrorist attack in the countries history happen under his watch has blood stained his already diminished legacy. He will not survive the next election and most definitely did not invite Hamas to come pillage Israeli towns. Prior to 10/7 Israel's policy was to deal with Hamas violence and moderate Hamas in Gaza. After 10/7 Israeli's policy is to destroy Hamas in Gaza. Israel just spent 17 years working hard to avoid what is happening now. What you are seeing now was always the alternative to the blockade policy. Had Israel wanted to invade Gaza they would have. Prior to 10/7 they simply didn't want to. Now they do.