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Originally Posted by Sliver
Yeah we fking are. I quoted opendoor's law. It says what I've been saying.
It's illegal to enter an intersection if the light is yellow.
Crystal clear.
If you can't safely stop it doesn't matter one iota because the cop can just say it was safe. You have no defense at that point. Nothing. Your word against his (you lose already) and on top of that, you entered an intersection on a yellow, which is illegal.
There's no 10', 20', 30, or one second, two seconds or anything objective you can lean on to make a case it wasn't safe. That safe/unsafe wording is to empower the state to ticket you; not to save you if they want to ticket you lol. That wording allows us to operate and live with the obvious physical impossibility of stopping 1mm before an intersection while doing 80, but if a cop feels like ticketing you he can and you cannot defend yourself. It's indefensible.
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You are arguing about evidence. The law as written has two parts: 1. Do not enter on yellow, 2. unless unsafe. The defence to the first part is built into the law in the second part. The cop says it was safe to stop. That is the full evidence against you and they made out the case. The problem is that it puts the onus on the driver to prove that it was unsafe to stop. Was it Fuzz that proposed what needed to be proven to make out the successful defence above? It is accurate. Unfortunately, you don't have the evidence; location at the time it turned yellow, weight of vehicle, slipperiness of the road, actual speed, etc. If you had this evidence, you could have made out an objective defence and been successful. As it is, you didn't have it and you lost. That is how it is supposed to work.