What's funny with the van hate is that many larger SUV/crossovers are slowly morphing into pseudo-vans anyway. They emphasize space, must have 3 rows, and prioritize on-road mannerisms/comfort over any off-road capability. Apart from not having sliding doors, and a slightly more protruded front, I'm not really sure there's a material difference between something like a Kia Telluride and a Carnival. But don't you dare call the former a van.
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