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Originally Posted by 4X4
They do. There are clean-ups multiple times per year. Various clubs will go on a trail ride explicitly to clean up. And you can bet that more than one club hung around to help with the maylong clean-up.
Seriously, your average ATVer or 4x4 guy is out there to enjoy his or herself responsibly. 95% of us clean up after ourselves. The people that are just there to get trashed (usually young people that just got old enought to drink) grad parties, people that hear that its a party from the news are the punks that bring out old cars to trash (and leave) and generally don't bother cleaning up after themselves.
You know, the more I think about it, the more I actually agree with the original thread title. There are too many losers and rednecks in the OHV zones, it's just that most of them don't have ATVs or 4x4's. They're in the frickin sunfire with a trunk full of beer and subs and amps just to get wasted.
I'd be all for some ramped up police presence. Even though there is the checkstops every year, it doesn't seem to be helping.
I say charge every vehicle entering the areas $50 and give them a big garbage bag. On their way out, if they produce the bag (full), give 'em $40 back. The $10 can pay for a few dumpsters.
That'd start weeding out the riff/raff pretty quickly.
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Sunfires don't rip apart land and destroy pristine environment, ATVs and 4x4s do.
Is every OHV enthusiast negligent? Nope. But way too many do. These morons that you mention with their "sunfires" are likely there to get drunk with the redneck OHV user and wreck the surrounding area together, like they think they are entitled to.
I like your idea, but I'd more than double it. If it costs $20 a night to just camp, it should be $50-100 a night to go ape on the land, plus a $500 deposit for damages per vehicle... if the party of each vehicle produce one garbage bag, they get half back, if they produce two or more, they get it all back.
Time to get accountable.