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Originally Posted by 4X4
They do. There are clean-ups multiple times per year. Various clubs will go on a trail ride explicitly to clean up. And you can bet that more than one club hung around to help with the maylong clean-up.
Seriously, your average ATVer or 4x4 guy is out there to enjoy his or herself responsibly. 95% of us clean up after ourselves. The people that are just there to get trashed (usually young people that just got old enought to drink) grad parties, people that hear that its a party from the news are the punks that bring out old cars to trash (and leave) and generally don't bother cleaning up after themselves.
You know, the more I think about it, the more I actually agree with the original thread title. There are too many losers and rednecks in the OHV zones, it's just that most of them don't have ATVs or 4x4's. They're in the frickin sunfire with a trunk full of beer and subs and amps just to get wasted.
I'd be all for some ramped up police presence. Even though there is the checkstops every year, it doesn't seem to be helping.
I say charge every vehicle entering the areas $50 and give them a big garbage bag. On their way out, if they produce the bag (full), give 'em $40 back. The $10 can pay for a few dumpsters.
That'd start weeding out the riff/raff pretty quickly.
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You seem to take offense to the fuel efficient Sunfire. I've been up to OHV areas many times during long weekends. While there is a fair share of 'Sunfire' people you describe I have observed many 4X4ers who are just as irresponsible (aka Sunfire people except equipped with ATV's dirt bikes and 4X4's). Like everything else in life the level of irresponsibility is negatively correltated with age. However if the point of people going up was just to get wasted while camping and have a big party why is it that people who are totally independent of 4x4's, ATV's, and dirtbikes show up at these OHV sites insted of other areas? Could they be, gasp, friends of 4X4er's?