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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Vegas wouldn't be doing it, it's about maximizing assets and building a winner long term. Not just always doing things one season at a time because you need to make the playoffs every year without a long term plan.
Flames need to be more pro-active with their key assets. They weren't with any of Brodie, Gio, Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Hanifin, or Lindholm.
Andersson is going to be 30 years old when his next contract kicks in. I'd rather not pay $8.5M for age 30-38 for him when he's already not the most fleet of foot defender.
Also I think it would be a mistake to assume he wants to stay anyways if the team is on the verge of missing the playoffs for the 4th straight season.
Andersson will likely never have more trade value than he will this offseason, and the Flames would be foolish to at least not listen to that.
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Vegas is already known for shipping out guys regardless of if they like it there or not, that’s the point. And I don’t think it’s about building a long term contender, I think this is the type of move that puts a cap on a team’s ceiling.
I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that maybe they chat with Andersson and his agent instead of just assuming he wants to stay through the retool. They don’t just have to make the mistake of “assuming.”
And when a guy has the most trade value is a guessing game. He might have more value after next season. He might have even more value 4.5 years from now after we win the cup. But I also think that list of players works against your point, because most of those guys are ones we should have signed long term or not traded/let go.
Ultimately our best window to win is within the next 4-5 years. The clock starts ticking from when our first round pick this year starts his ELC. Look at the teams that have won cups over the past 15 years. It’s a mix of high-value vets and great players on their ELC.
By that point, it’ll just be Andersson, Weegar, Kadri, and Huberdeau. That’s it. Backlund, Coleman, Mangiapane, Dube, Tanev, Lindholm, Hanifin, and 3-4 more forwards plus the rest of today’s defensive core will be gone. Out of the vets that’ll still be here, one was drafted by the Flames. I think it’s a foolish choice to move him just to collect more assets.
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Originally Posted by Sofa GM
If moving Andersson gets you Buffalos 2024 1st plus 2 of Savoie, Ostlund or Kulich you drive him to the airport immediately no questions asked. That immediately gives a significant skill injection into the organization.
Then you use Lindholm and Hanifin to get high end defense prospects.
This is how you build a long term contender
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Trading away the guys who will be the key vets in your next competitive window is how you build another Edmonton or Buffalo. You still need to protect that mix and have guys within the organization that are bought in and know what it takes to become good pros.
You can’t just be open for business and willing to trade everyone for anything once the price is met. You have to have an eye on what, exactly, you’re trying to build and who fits. If you’re going to trade a player that wants to be here and is young enough to still be a contributor on the other side of your retool, just to go out and start looking for an asset to replace that player, that’s bad management.