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Originally Posted by Beninho

I dismiss them because I believe they are wrong and provide several counter arguments you happily never engage with. My main gripes are the inappropriate usage of the word genocide to describe what it is going on. It is not a genocide. No population experiences significant growth while experiencing a genocide, especially a supposed one that has lasted 75 years.

Ok, but you understand that dismissing them and mocking people who cite them simply because you disagree is not actually meaningful engagement, right? Here’s an article from another expert on genocide, curious to hear what you think beyond “I disagree”, specifically his answer to this question:

You write in your piece, “My greatest concern watching the Israel-Gaza war unfold is that there is genocidal intent, which can easily tip into genocidal action. On Oct. 7, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that Gazans would pay a ‘huge price’ for the actions of Hamas and that the Israel Defense Forces, or I.D.F., would turn parts of Gaza’s densely populated urban centers ‘into rubble.’ On Oct. 28, he added, citing Deuteronomy, ‘You must remember what Amalek did to you.’ As many Israelis know, in revenge for the attack by Amalek, the Bible calls to ‘kill alike men and women, infants and sucklings.’ ” Can you talk more about this focus on what leaders say?

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and...efine-genocide

Originally Posted by Beninho

Again i have mentioned the Palestinian situation is terrible, I do not take any sort of joy out of seeing dead civilians but I place blame on Hamas who actively puts their civilians in danger and started this war by raping, pillaging, torturing and hostage taking.

There shouldn’t be a “but” there. You either don’t take joy out of it, or you do. And saying, “well, I blame Hamas” is just passing the buck. At the end of the day, Hamas is horrible and needs to be eliminated. We all agree. And we should not have to qualify the deaths of thousands of innocent people by repeating it. People were losing their minds over some of the reports around murdered babies specifically, but a few of you that were couldn’t be bothered to say more than “too bad, but Hamas…” when it started happening to Palestinian babies. You don’t see how compartmenalizing those things is dangerous? Making one out to be a tragedy worth killing over, and the other nothing more than the cost of war?

Originally Posted by Beninho

I made a comment right when their attacked happened that got misconstrued as me calling Palestinians as animals. That was not my intention and I apologized for it, my intent was calling Hamas animals, but if you want me again to apologize for that here it is. My apologies for the usage of the word animals.

It didn’t get misconstrued, you clarified your intent as meaning civilians. Whether you apologise or not doesn’t really matter, because you aren’t giving the same benefit of the doubt you demand for yourself to anyone else.

It’s worth noting that, as indicated above, that kind of language absolutely conveys genocidal intent.

Originally Posted by Beninho

Your side provides no solution, no actual plan, and wants Israel to resume the status quo with no end in sight. This time it will not happen and Hamas will pay, unfortunately civilians are being killed which happens in war. But this is because of the way Hamas uses human shields. You can disagree with my stance, that’s fine. The pro-Palestinian side loves to live in an echo chamber hence people questioning my humanity over the mere accusation that Hamas is to blame for 1. Starting the war and 2. Hiding behind civilians creating civilian deaths.

What is my “side”? If you do care about Palestinians, aren’t you pro-Palestinian as well? What are your conditions in labelling someone pro-Palestinian that means they are and you’re not?

Nobody is questioning your humanity over saying Hamas is to blame for starting the war or using human shields. But it’s a good thing to question if you believe either of those things excuses any and all innocent human cost. If there’s no limit to how many people you’ll accept dead or the brutality in which they’re forced to live and die, where’s the humanity in that?

Originally Posted by Beninho

With Hamas eliminated and Gaza demilitarized there will be far less civilian casualties in the future. That’s my view, I don’t think this is very extreme. But to some I guess I am equated to a skinheaded holocaust denier.

You and I both know your belief that Hamas being eliminated will equal less casualties in the future has nothing to do with any accusations you’ve received for any sort of extremism, so why lie and misrepresent others?