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Originally Posted by Beninho
Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and Hamas took over in 2006 in a democratically held election. The blockade began in 2007 to stop weapons being smuggled into gaza. I would say every country with a brain would also have enacted a blockade against a group smuggling weapons to harm its civilians. There has been no two state solution that has been accepted by Hamas or since that election so no idea what you are on about. The Palestinians were offered 93% of the West Bank and this deal was rejected in 2008.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/two-state-solution
Probably was a bad idea to elect a war mongering extremist group if a functioning society is what the Palestinians want. |
That's not how actual independence works.
It doesn't really matter why Gazans were denied not just true autonomy, basic freedoms and a chance to a future.
Also, what's your excuse for West Bank? It's not under Hamas rule, yet they also don't have true autonomy, economic freedom etc. Jewish militants have been attacking Palestinian settlements constantly and have only increased their attacks now that the world is only looking at Gaza. 9 Arabs are dead in attacks by Jewish extemists and 182 have died in Israels anti-terrorist operations in the Eest Bank since the start of the operation.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/...r-second-front
"traditional and social media networks have been flooded with videos of Jewish extremists attacking Palestinian residents, burning homes and vehicles, vandalizing businesses, destroying crops, threatening locals with weapons, imposing movement restrictions, and trespassing on homes, land, and natural resources. According to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, violent acts by Jewish extremists increased to
an average of seven per day after October 7 compared to three per day the previous month, and Israeli authorities have not disputed these figures."
You claim that the Palestinians don't want a 2-state solution, but remove any context from that statement as if Palestinians just randomly have that opinion.
They've seen what "a 2 state solution" looks like in reality, and what it means is still constant oppression.
Even if you think that oppression is justified, it's still oppression.
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Arab Israelis have full rights, are in government, on the supreme court, even serve in the IDF. There are arab Israelis fighting in Gaza for the IDF as we speak. The only people who are limited to go anywhere in Israel are Jews going to the temple mount.
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rJVoNmyCP
I wonder if these guys think they are second class citizens. Probably not. Arab Israelis have more rights than anywhere else in the middle east.
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Arabs in Israel see themselves as 2nd class citizens. (And most Arabs choose to not serve in the IDF.) That's how reality works, not ny cherrypicking examples.
The argument you're making is literally the same people use to deny the existence of racism in the US.
If you argue that somehow Israel treats Arabs and Jews equally, can you show me the equally massive anti-terrorism operation against Jewish extemists? Seven attacks per day by Jewish militias on IDF controlled territories is something IDF should clearly respond to... if IDF was there to protect Jews and Arabs equally.
What do you suggest the Palestinians do about the constant Jewish extremists attacks, when the Israeli government isn't protecting them?
You claim attacking Gaza through a bombing campaign and denying the population of Gaza basic necessities like food, water and electricity is justified to end the threat of attacks on Jews, and another Israel supporter suggested that carpet bombing Gaza would work as a solution to end the long term threat to Jews.
So by this logic, Arabs should be equally justified to attack Israel until all Jewish extremists are wiped from existence, and carpet bombing Israel would work as a solution.
And then you guys are somehow outraged that people don't these views.
You are a supporter of one-sided mass violence as a defense policy. That's what you argue for as a "solution".
It's a popular idea, but not really something that I think is helpful to protect the Jewish population, in Israel or globally.