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Originally Posted by Pointman
It is perfectly possible to subdue terrorist groups or even peoples for that matter. Chechnya is a good example of that. It was carpet bombed into surrender and has been perfectly loyal ever since. ISIS was subdued. Massive war against ISIS did NOT create thousands of new terrorists. Nuking Japan did not create generations of Japanese looking for revenge on USA. Contrary, it created generations of peaceful, harmless Japanese. Carpet bombing Germany did not create generations of Germans wanting to join Nazi. Contrary, it created generations of Germans who hate Nazis and don't want to repeat their mistakes again. As history shows us on those examples, destroying Hamas will create generations of Palestinians who are looking to live on peace. That's human nature. When people are well beaten, they give up.
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These are terrible comparisons which really only demonstrate what exact mental gymnastics you've done to yourself to become a supporter of genocide.
Chechnya has been under Russian military occupation, ruled by a warlord who's controlled by a dictator. That's how you have "peace" in Chechnya. Great model.
EDIT: Forgot to mention: while Chechnya is no longer in the headlines, the militant resistance of local independence fighters only really started to end by 2020s, so over a decade since the 2nd Russo-Chechnyan war. Order in the area is kept with things like killings, torture, "filtration camps", or in other words: never-ending violence towards the civilian population.
In the case of Germany and Japan, the citizens of both countries had full political rights in their own, democratic, economically independent countries, just like they were before the war. What made them peaceful wasn't carpet bombing, it was removing their warmongering genocidal far-right governments from power by military force.
So if you suggest that Germany and Japan show a path to lasting peace, you are not suggesting carpet-bombing Gaza, you are suggesting the military occupation of Israel, court-martialing Netanyahu and his cronies and forcing actual democracy in thw area by gunpoint. Possibly forcibly re-educating the Israeli population on what was done to a minority population in their names to make sure they never vote for another far-right politician, like what happened in Germany.
It's a bold position, but yeah, that might work. I don't think anyone in the west has suggested that yet.