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Old 12-14-2023, 12:16 PM   #4094
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Sure it does. You mock Bagor for spreading “Al Quds” network info, but when he shares his source which happens to be a Jewish academic, you suddenly scramble to find another academic and the harshest criticism you can muster for someone like Segal is “I completely disagree” which is significantly kinder than you are to pretty much everyone else.

Add to the fact that you mock posters for sharing a more nuanced view of “from river to sea” with a sarcastic “geopolitical experts” while completely ignoring the source of the information, then it’s pretty clear you hold a very deep double standard.

“River to the sea” was literally coined to mean exactly what people are accusing it of, but here we have you jumping through hoops to try and make it seem like it is not. When people say they want to wipe the Jews off the map history has shown us to take their word at face value. October 7th a prime example of that.

It’s either the most unique genocide in human history, where a population triples in growth over 30 years, or it is not a genocide. There are many things you can call it but of course the anti-Israel side goes to the most extreme one that elicits that most emotional response. I view it close to a blood libel. I don’t care how many anti-Israel Jews you can find, I think it is a laughable argument. It sure does get clicks tho, Rez Segal’s work has never been cited this much and I have never even heard of this man until this conflict started. Now I see his one article spread everywhere, with people like you and Bagor citing it as “loook the Jeeeeeews even think so” Even tho, like I have shared, many of his contemporaries vehemently disagree with him. But go on, move the goal posts more. You are a master at it

This is a nuanced view. The situation is terrible, the Palestinians deserve a state, there is a substantial amount of Palestinians who hold radical views which would make any future coming of a Palestinian state difficult for Israel to swallow. That being said they still deserve a state and the settlements in the west bank are a barrier to it. Hamas should be destroyed and a period of reconstruction and re-education needs to occur. Who leads this i am not quite sure. What is happening is not a genocide but an armed conflict where Israel has declared war on Hamas, civilians die in war it does not constitute genocide. In 1948 700,000 Palestinians were expelled from their lands through armed conflict, towns were admittedly ethnically cleansed and Israel cannot pretend that this did not happen because it did. The Palestinians deserve a state but have been lead down a horrific path by some of the most corrupt leaders they could find, they could have had a state at various different junctions, most recently in 2008. Hopefully some moderate leaders can emerge for them in the coming years and this conflict can come to an end. Israel also needs to get rid of Netanyahu and shed the religious zealots from government, many Israelis hold this view.

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