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Old 12-11-2023, 10:08 AM   #4045
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Hamas won't be defeated by these methods because Israel actually creates new fighters by destroying innocent families both in their homes and anywhere else in Gaza. The path to eliminating Hamas and other similar groups is for Israel to support initiatives in Palestine to lift the people up, through education and basic needs like water, food and homes. It's worth doing for Israel for obvious reasons given they're constantly under attack from Hamas and other groups. Cutting the region off from water and food and taking over homes in the West Bank, not to mention carpet bombing whatever in that region shrugging off innocent deaths as being the cost of war is only creating more joiners to Hamas and others.
I spent most of my life thinking this but I have become more grim and unconvinced in the last decade or so, Israel is tiny, about the size of southern Vancouver Island, there isnt enough land to share that will satisfy Palestinian hopes or needs let alone also allow Israel any kind of security.

Nor would it allow a 'free' Palestine to have any kind of economy, essentially all this creates are slightly larger Gaza's, poverty stricken over populated open air prisons, young Palestinian boys and men will always look over the border into a rich modern Israel with tens of times their GDP per capita and will always believe (and be taught) that Israel stole their wealth, their hopes and dreams.
Israel and the west are and have always been convenient scapegoats for Arab regimes to avoid answering for their own incompetence, Israel will always be a scapegoat for Palestinian leaders and so young Arab men will always be led into violence.

It's rubbish of course, Arab countries are terribly led, corrupt and poverty stricken because of Islam and it's quasi legal/religious grip on them in many ways similar to profoundly Catholic countries economic problems.

Because of this it probably makes no difference what Israel does and their best course of action, if not pleasant or moral, may be to utterly and brutely beat Gaza into submission, to make life so bad for Palestinians they just leave slowly but surely due to lack of hope or future, the vast majority of Palestinians have left over the last 60 years and are Jordan, Lebanon the US, Canada and the west, they aren't attacking Israel and have better lives themselves, have moved on, that might be best for all sides as depressing as it seems
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