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Originally Posted by flamesfever

You don't think environmentalists would stoop to lie or deceive the public?

Name one lie that environmentalists have ever told that has caused even a fraction of the harm to society that climate change denial has caused.

I don't believe there has ever been any economical and practical plan laid out to allow for the displacement of oil and gas as the main energy source for the world.

Well, when the decision was made to dig up massive amounts of fossil fuels and burn them to build up the modern world, there was absolutely no plan regarding what the long term impacts would be, how potential problems would be dealt with, or how to transition as quickly as possible to non-polluting alternatives. Humanity basically said #### it and forged ahead without giving the slightest care about the consequences. So pardon me if I think it sounds rich when people turn to the environmental movement and demand a perfect plan laid out with every single detail ironed out.

And most plans for the renewables do not take into account all the input costs, and problems when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow.

The solution there will have to come from technological advancements. It is a fallacy to look at the limitations of today's green technology and assume those limitations won't be overcome in the coming decades.

What about all the good that comes out of the money from the sale of our oil and gas? How are we going to do without it? Our healthcare is underfunded and on the verge of collapse. We are continually running large deficits. And profit is not a dirty word. Companies would cease to exist without making a profit.

We need to be diversifying our economy and weaning ourselves off our reliance on O&G revenues.

There's nothing wrong with profits per se. There's everything wrong with profiting at the direct expense of our ability to keep living on this planet.

Sure the fossil fuel industry has skeletons, but Canada presently has one of the best managed oil and gas industries in the world. I believe Alberta is on trend to have the most installed renewables, of any province, within the near future, and plans to be carbon neutral by 2050.

That's wonderful.

Unfortunately, we need the entire world to be carbon neutral by 2050 or sooner if we are to have a chance at avoiding the worst case climate scenarios.

I think I understand your hate for oil and gas companies.

At some point, morally reprehensible actions have to be met with a reponse of disapproval. I'm sorry if you misconstrue that as hatred.

You environmentalists were completely ignored over a long period of time while the industry developed at a torrid pace. Now that you have latched on to something that gives you power to execute your programs i.e. the battle to stop Climate Change, your seemingly religious like fervor prevents you from seeing the other side.

What "other side" am I supposedly not seeing? What context have I supposedly missed?

Is it that you want LNG exported all over the world? I've already explained my concerns in an earlier post. No one has responded to those for some reason.

It's too bad you environmentalists have a tendency to want to put companies out of business, which results in a lose lose situation, rather than looking at all sides, and working more collaboratively to make it a win win situation.

I want collaboration. O&G companies are the ones who have never shown a willigness to work together with anyone in a serious way. All they've ever strived to do is maximize profits, regardless of the consequences for humanity.