Err... sorta to steer this back towards the topic of tracking... I tried to do a quick understanding/crash course of worldwide anti-LGBTQ+ sentiment. Because I don't know much about it and the thread was really hard to follow on occasion.
Was this information for a basic understanding on worldwide anti-LGBTQ+ sentiment on the right track? (Please though, not debate about stances) I'm just aiming at going through objective information based on the topic of anti-LGBTQ+ sentiment to learn more. I also just want to follow the "Miniskirt rule". Short enough to be interesting, long enough to cover everything. There's so much going on that I have no clue how to orient myself to understand this topic. Some of what I knew felt like it was incorrect while reading this topic so I wanted to investigate.
Unfortunately, I don't know what I don't know in this topic. Again though, just looking for comments about gleaning of objective information on the topic. I'm not interested making any commentary on a stance.
I started here (and forgive my reliance on Wiki):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_r...itory#See_also
I did this to get an idea where countries are like at a general level LGBTQ+ rights. First thought, "Holy, there's a lot more X than checkmarks than I thought there would be in this day and age." Then I was surprised to see China had decriminalized homosexuality almost half a decade earlier than the USA (nationwide). The USA decriminalized homosexuality nationwide in 2003 which was 20 years ago. Canada decriminalized it in 1969. I didn't expect that huge of a gap.
It also mentioned that as of 2023, the top 3 nations for safety for LGBT were Canada, Sweden and the Netherlands. Nordic countries, Uruguay, Canada, Benelux countries, Spain, Andorra and Malta best for LGBT rights.
This was throwing me off because some of the comments were basically making me believe that Canada was average and pedestrian at best for LGBTQ+ safety and rights. I don't know if that was because the thread started off with a post of Russia doing anti-LGBTQ+ things and other comments kinda mashed different countries together, or if there was a different metric being discussed and Canada indeed sucks for LGBTQ+ in those regards.
Then I went here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societ..._homosexuality
Basically going from the legal rights of LGBTQ+ populations vs the country attitudes. A few things stuck out to me.
I get that polls have margins of error and aren't always completely indicative to the accuracy of an entire country's population. But if I looked at the percentages of the 2019 PEW global attitude project numbers and compared them to the 2023 PEW global attitude project numbers (if available), almost all countries across the board had a decrease in the LGBTQ+ should be accepted number and an increase in abstain or should not be accepted.
What happened during the pandemic that would cause large enough populations to change their stance across the board in multiple countries? With everyone cooped up doing their own thing one path for perception should be everyone doing their own thing? Or... maybe people blamed others for themselves being in lockdown and thus intolerance in general increased across the board? Could this not just for LGBTQ+ attitudes, but many others? (ie: Masking, vaccination etc.). Obviously it is still a serious attitude that affects all LGBTQ+ I do not downplay that. I just wonder if the LGBTQ+ intolerance is a part of a bigger general intolerance overall?
I looked at the colored map at the top. Canada and quite a few other countries aren't just colored for acceptance but colored in a darker hue for a high level of acceptance of LGBTQ+.
Again a little different than some of the comments in this thread, but again, I'm not certain that those comments are using the same metric as this page, so I hesitate to believe they should be directly compared.
Then on a hunch, I went here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religions_by_country
I did this to compare the map of the previous page to the religion map of this page. Many of the countries on the previous map showing acceptance for LGBTQ+ were colored as one of the dominant two religions. Many of the countries on the previous map showing intolerance for LGBTQ+ were colored as the second of the two dominant religions.
So this perhaps means that religion does indeed sow some of the seeds towards LGBTQ+ attitudes.... or perhaps it's culture? So I looked at the maps at countries that are not part of the two dominant religions. Vast majority no data, but of those with data, it was seemingly almost evenly split between the two sides of the spectrum of acceptance and intolerance (ie: India and Japan). Inconclusive.
The strangest thing I noticed in new light were some of the comments I've read. The comments are that the LGBTQ+ population is a vocal minority... which I guess is true from a "who people normally sleep with" standpoint. But from a societal acceptance POV in Canada and USA, those that oppose LGBTQ+ acceptance (ie: the anti-LGBTQ+) are objectively the minority. But even those defending LGBTQ+ are conversing in a way that seems like they actually believe that they are defending a minority stance. This is very strange because this isn't supposed to be true in Canada. According the data, this anti-LGBTQ+ majority sentiment is true in countries like Ukraine, Russia, Indonesia and others... this is certainly true, but this is not completely true from a Canada and USA perspective. Why is the verbiage used so commonly like this?
Anything information wise I should consider spending another 10-15 minutes on or just abandon the whole thing because it's on the wrong track?
My apologies if I've basically just dumped drivel into this thread.