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Old 12-04-2023, 04:40 PM   #112
CliffFletcher
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There is a difference between equity and fairness. Everyone is equal under the law (in theory) but that doesn't mean everyone has equal access to or opportunities. That's what I think a lot of people (sorta of like Lanny's comments) miss.
That’s the progressive case for abandoning liberal universalism. It’s well-intentioned. But it betrays a dangerously naive ignorance of human nature.

Institutionalizing identity-based politics as a way to redress injustice and right past wrongs legitimizes identity-based politics for everyone, not just the groups who advocates of equity deem disadvantaged. There’s no world where we can have identity-based politics for women, LGBTQ, Muslims, Indigenous, and Black citizens and not see identity-based politics for men, straights, Christians, and White citizens. That’s just the way humans operate. And yes, people have long been organizing along white, Christian, etc. identities. But the remedy to that isn’t everyone joining the struggle along identarian lines - it’s to fight stronger to ensure that people are not treated differently due to innate characteristics.

Universalism isn’t perfect. But it’s better than the alternative - which is the fragmentation of civic identity into a relentless zero-sum war between groups.

https://theconversation.com/how-a-ne...justice-217085
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