[Bagor]

Originally Posted by blankall

Firstly, I haven't made any inconsistent statements.

There's a dispute with the IDF stating that Hamas refused to accept fuel prior to Israel entering the building. Hamas was stating that was not correct. Upon Israel taking over, the hospital was supplied with fuel and people were evacuated. Al Shifa Hospital continues to operate and Israel is now supplying fuel to it.

Once again, Israel didn't just run into the hospital with guns blazing or flatten it. Could they have done more, I don't know.

As Hamas had hostages in the hospital, Israel most certainly had a right to enter it. Hamas' continued presence at the hospital delayed Israel's entry. If it's true that Hamas was also refusing fuel, then that puts a lot of the blame for any tragedies that occurred at the hospital on them.

The WHO is also not getting first hand knowledge and getting much of their info from Hamas. From the UN's website:

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143497



I don't specifically know why the WHO would say what they did. According their own sources, they are largely relying on reports from the Gaza Health Authorities, who are controlled by Hamas.

This highlights a big issue in this conflict. The information coming out is largely coming out from Hamas or the IDF, obviously both sources with agendas.

Spin, spin, spin and more defence of the slaughter. I'm going to highlight in red just for you.
There were only 300 litres of fuel. Enough to keep the hospital running for 30 minutes. So your Hamas spin is irrelevant.


Despite your continued insistence it is NOT operational. Please stop with the persistent lie that it is.


And yes, the WHO is getting first hand knowledge. So stop dismissing or trying to descredit their observation that the hospital is a death zone.

Earlier today, a joint UN humanitarian assessment team led by WHO accessed Al-Shifa Hospital in northern Gaza to assess the situation on the ground, conduct a rapid situational analysis, assess medical priorities and establish logistics options for further missions. The team included public health experts, logistics officers and security staff from OCHA, UNDSS, UNMAS/UNOPS, UNRWA and WHO.

The mission was deconflicted with the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) to ensure safe passage along the agreed route. However, this was a high-risk operation in an active conflict zone, with heavy fighting ongoing in close proximity to the hospital.

Earlier in the day, the IDF had issued evacuation orders to the remaining 2500 internally displaced people who had been seeking refuge on the hospital grounds. They, along with a number of mobile patients and hospital staff, had already vacated the facility by the time of the team's arrival.

Due to time limits associated with the security situation, the team was able to spend only one hour inside the hospital, which they described as a “death zone,” and the situation as “desperate.” Signs of shelling and gunfire were evident. The team saw a mass grave at the entrance of the hospital and was told more than 80 people were buried there.

Lack of clean water, fuel, medicines, food and other essential aid over the last 6 weeks have caused Al-Shifa Hospital – once the largest, most advanced and best equipped referral hospital in Gaza – to essentially stop functioning as a medical facility. The team observed that due to the security situation, it has been impossible for the staff to carry out effective waste management in the hospital. Corridors and the hospital grounds were filled with medical and solid waste, increasing the risk of infection. Patients and health staff with whom they spoke were terrified for their safety and health, and pleaded for evacuation. Al-Shifa Hospital can no longer admit patients, with the injured and sick now being directed to the seriously overwhelmed and barely functioning Indonesian Hospital.

There are 25 health workers and 291 patients remaining in Al-Shifa, with several patient deaths having occurred over the previous 2 to 3 days due to the shutting down of medical services. Patients include 32 babies in extremely critical condition, 2 people in intensive care without ventilation, and 22 dialysis patients whose access to life-saving treatment has been severely compromised. The vast majority of patients are victims of war trauma, including many with complex fractures and amputations, head injuries, burns, chest and abdominal trauma, and 29 patients with serious spinal injuries who are unable to move without medical assistance. Many trauma patients have severely infected wounds due to lack of infection control measures in the hospital and unavailability of antibiotics.

Given the current state of the hospital, which is no longer operational or admitting new patients, the team was requested to evacuate health workers and patients to other facilities. WHO and partners are urgently developing plans for theimmediateevacuation of the remaining patients, staff and their families

.https://www.who.int/news/item/18-11-...spital-in-gaza


WHO: The hospital is a death zone. It is no longer operational as a hospital.
Blankall: What would they know? It appears to be still running.