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Monahammer · 11-23-2023, 01:15 PM

I don't even think Kenny Holland is stupid enough to trade the oilers 1st this year.

Markstrom... Markstrom's value alone isn't that much. IMO I think it is still less than Broberg or Holloway alone due to contract length and cap hit.

Let's say for argument it's a 3rd in a vacuum, but my personal position is that it's much less. Maybe a 4th but probably zilch unless you're willing to take on a contract in return.

So we have a goalie worth a 3rd for the sake of this argument. To our provincial rivals we charge a 2nd. Maybe the oil want to get rid of Broberg or Holloway more than a 2nd? If so I think that's an easy yes.

But, Campbell is a complication to the equation. Both Markstrom and Campbell are owed $20 million between the beginning of this season and end of their contracts. Campbell's has a worse buyout due to the additional year, but has a lesser cap hit. Very moderate though, only 1 mil.

Because the oil are cap strapped, we would probably need to also take the additional million in cap hit as retention.

So the value needs to be: [1 season of 5 million cap hit (no $ difference)]+ [2 seasons of 1 million retention ($2 million in real cash value difference here)] + [value of markstrom] - [value of campbell]

Really it comes down to how much they value markstrom. That's the biggest dispute. I don't think there's any world in which we get a 1st plus on that trade, even without the oilers tanking. I think if we could score Holloway off of that we should and try to turn him around. Maybe you ask for holloway and a late pick.

11-23-2023, 01:15 PM	#632
Monahammer Franchise Player Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Alberta Exp:	I don't even think Kenny Holland is stupid enough to trade the oilers 1st this year. Markstrom... Markstrom's value alone isn't that much. IMO I think it is still less than Broberg or Holloway alone due to contract length and cap hit. Let's say for argument it's a 3rd in a vacuum, but my personal position is that it's much less. Maybe a 4th but probably zilch unless you're willing to take on a contract in return. So we have a goalie worth a 3rd for the sake of this argument. To our provincial rivals we charge a 2nd. Maybe the oil want to get rid of Broberg or Holloway more than a 2nd? If so I think that's an easy yes. But, Campbell is a complication to the equation. Both Markstrom and Campbell are owed $20 million between the beginning of this season and end of their contracts. Campbell's has a worse buyout due to the additional year, but has a lesser cap hit. Very moderate though, only 1 mil. Because the oil are cap strapped, we would probably need to also take the additional million in cap hit as retention. So the value needs to be: [1 season of 5 million cap hit (no $ difference)]+ [2 seasons of 1 million retention ($2 million in real cash value difference here)] + [value of markstrom] - [value of campbell] Really it comes down to how much they value markstrom. That's the biggest dispute. I don't think there's any world in which we get a 1st plus on that trade, even without the oilers tanking. I think if we could score Holloway off of that we should and try to turn him around. Maybe you ask for holloway and a late pick.