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Old 11-15-2023, 02:57 PM   #3733
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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden View Post
I must not be the only person who believes the only way to defeat ISIS or Hamas or any other government funded on ideological violence is to eliminate the conditions which allow for them to grow and survive.

Widespread poverty, disenfranchisement based on severed ties to place, political subjugation, Traumatic experiences, loss of loved ones all give hateful violent people a foot hold in a society.

It would never happen, could never happen, but if Isreal dropped money and food and negotiated a solution that involved sharing prosperity and place instead of dropping 40 bombs an hour or whatever it is then Palestinians would march anyone involved in Hamas to be detained tried and jailed.

Instead, they have killed 10 thousand, and will kill as many more in a month and more still after that. Then once nothing is left but a pile of rubble, they will build mansions and gardens for new settlers and double down a police state on the remaining Palestinian population who will live with Widespread poverty, disenfranchisement based on severed ties to place, political subjugation, Traumatic experiences, and loss of loved ones.
Even if Israel did that it would not lead to peace. It certainly wouldn't lead to Palestinians rounding up Hamas. It would almost certainly lead to Hamas collecting the dropped money with little or none going to Palestinians and most or all going to Hamas leaders. Anyone that tried to stop them would likely be killed. The time of winning Hearts and Minds is unfortunately long gone (not that Israel ever really made a sustained effort). It is really sad but the reality is the only solution is a military one at this stage. Hopefully, Israel pulls back from the bombing and focusses on a precision attack. It will mean more Israeli casualties in the short-term but likely less in the long-term.
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