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Old 01-09-2005, 10:47 AM   #40
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Originally posted by badnarik+Jan 8 2005, 08:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (badnarik @ Jan 8 2005, 08:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Agamemnon@Jan 8 2005, 10:11 AM
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By removing government oversight in many industries/institutions, those bodies are left wide open to 'private' (corporate) exploitation.

Corporate exploitation is a marxist term. How can a private corporation exploit anyone on a free market? Give me one example where free market capitalism exploits anyone.
This is definitely one I bet we'll agree to disagree on. First off, there is no 'free market capitalism', every market in the world lives under massive regulation and subsidization. Secondly, a semi-example would be something as simple as child-labour in East Asia. American companies legally employ millions of very under-paid and impovershed workers to do dangerous, and often unsanitary work that American counterparts would charge much, much more. Shifting some of these societies to dependence on subsistance US (West) corporate handouts is 'exploitation' in my books. If you'd like to go further into your theory that the free market has never exploited anyone, I'd love to hear more, it sounds very interesting.

if a kid is free to choose and is not a slave, then its not exploitation

the corporation is just offering an opportunity.[/b][/quote]
I love how eating or not eating is a 'choice'. Just like being gay is a choice imo, there isn't one. You were born wanting to eat, you'll die wanting to eat, and anyone that has the ability to feed you or starve you 'owns' you. You can choose not to eat, but that's a pretty poor 'choice'.

If you think its cool for children to work in various (highly dangerous) textile factories and manufacturing jobs, then we have different ideas on Children's rights. I figure they've got to right to food w/out hard labour, regardless of how 'voluntary' it is. I recall as a child I wasn't 'voluntarily' looking for back-breaking labour for a few nickels an hour.

Maybe its just me, but I find the notion that corporations and starving children somehow enter these labour agreements mutually, as if this naked, impovershed kid has a lawyer there with him negotiating his contract, purely hilarious.
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