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Okay, was Ovechkin a 1st line player to win a cup with? Until he won the cup that is. Was Eichel in Buffalo?
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Are you seriously asking if a multiple time Hart Trophy winner is a player that you can win the Cup with?
This is getting silly now.
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All the players you listed will be inducted into the HHOF. They're franchise players in my book. And I guess that's why we have a hard time finding common ground in this discussion.
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I guess my level of franchise player is much higher than yours, I think franchise players are pretty rare and at most teams will have 2-3.
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A guy like Zary, is a nice surprise, that kept improving. He had 10P, in 6GP in the AHL this year, that's dominant. He has a point in every game he has played in the NHL so far. You notice him every shift he is on the ice for all the good reasons.
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Its 6 games though, another tiny sample size. Crazy to use those small sample sizes to ignore the much larger sample sizes that we have.
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Jason Robertson put up 47P in 60GP in the AHL, and followed it up with 45P in 51GP in his first full season in the NHL. Those are similar stats in the AHL to Zary last year.
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Great. Not sure Robertson is at the level of the others we have talked about and if Zary does something like have a 50+ game season at the NHL where he is at a PPG then the conversation changes at this point there is no reason to think he will produce at that level.
One other totally different guy doing it means very little.
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Finally, were you projecting a guy like Gio to win a Norris in his first couple of seasons with the Flames? I sure didn't. The point is that we don't know what Zary will become. Sometimes an NHLer's big break comes down to seizing an opportunity. So far Zary has done that, and the safe bet is that he will 'only' become a top6 player, but I'm not ready to bet against him.
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No but if you are using Gio as an example then we should just sell everyone and bring in a ton of undrafted FAs if that is what happens with those guys.
My point is fairly simple and straightforward there is not a single player in our orgnazation that we can say with any confidence is likely an elite player, teams need elite players to win the Cup so we should do what we can to get those players. If by chance a Zary or Coronato develops into that great, but it should in no way be part of our plan to say they could turn out into that when they have shown nothing to indicate they have that ability.