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Originally Posted by Saqe

This is super vague and totally beside the point. You are saying humanitarian organizations, like the Red Cross, know something about the whereabouts of Hamas that subsequently lead to targeting certain buildings or areas. And they can evaluate whether Hamas is actually present in a target. There was a total breakdown by Mossad that led to the initial terror attack, even they didn't know what Hamas was up to. THEY are trying figure out where Hamas is. I really doubt Red Cross has some inside info.

You should either start reading what I’m actually saying, or stop reading it and then deciding I’m saying something I didn’t say, because it’s annoying, pointless, and makes me less inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt every time you do it. Beside the point that none of what I said has anything to do with Red Cross having inside info on Hamas, if you’re saying Israel doesn’t even know where they are and are still levelling entire areas of the city… that would be indiscriminate bombing.

Originally Posted by Saqe

Again, I don't think you can trust either side to be unbiased about what's happening on the ground right now. Unless they both say the same thing, like on the terror attack, then it's probably true. Like how do you know that Hamas isn't putting out a ton interviews as propaganda where people under their control are made to make up stories about what's going on. I would absolutely expect that to happen. Assuming that these interviews are credible seems like a low bar for accurate information.

How do you know Israel isn’t? Because you don’t expect it to happen? The world very obviously does not operate on your expectations, and it’s becoming increasingly clear that nobody in this thread should either.

We know that water, electricity, fuel, and food is cut off because both sides have said it. We know that Israel has been bombing the entry point for aid because both sides have said it. We know that Israel has destroyed hundreds of civilian buildings because both sides have said it. Etc. Etc.

Originally Posted by Saqe

You seem to be doing a lot of hand waving without offering any solution. Should Israelis lower their weapons and go home to wait for another Hamas attack? What if the only way to get rid of Hamas is to accept civilian casualties in the process because they are being used as human shields? Just repeating that international law can't be broken isn't a solution.

Sorry for not solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict on this message board. My bad.

I’ve asked it before, so I’ll ask you: if the only way is to accept civilian casualties, how many would you accept if you were in charge? Put a number on it. And do you trust the military to only

And yes, reminding people of international law is part of a solution, because international law also covers using people as human shields and who is ultimately responsible for when those civilians die (it’s the people who used them). But that doesn’t mean you flatten an apartment building, killing 100 because there was a member of Hamas in there.

Perhaps you can use your imagination and figure out what a middle ground between “commit all the war crimes you want” and “lay down your weapons and go home” looks like. I’m sure you can come up with something.

Originally Posted by Saqe

And by the way Hamas doesn't give #### about humanitarian law and neither does any other terrorist organization. And I don't think anyone is expecting that in an armed conflict.

No doubt. Anyone arguing any different?