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Originally Posted by Saqe
This is a total non-sequitur. What does international law have to do with current military operations on the ground and the actions of Israel right now? You may say that Israel should be held to that standard but it tells us nothing about their reasons behind their decisions.
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It has everything to do with them. It always does.
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Originally Posted by Saqe
Are you serious? The only thing that both parties of the conflict have both confirmed is the terror attack on Israel. It should be obvious that this actually happened. And generally when opposite sides of the party both confirm something it has a better chance of being true.
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You’re the one who has made a complex set of rules that determine who we can trust about what, excluding as many people and organizations as possible. It’s obvious that a lot of things have happened, but your position is that nobody here can know those things and no organizations on the ground that aren’t military can know those things, not even the people who it’s happening to. Are you serious?
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Originally Posted by Saqe
You can judge them if you want, I don't care. It's super easy to criticize everything that people do. But what is your solution? Israel should just sit back and say, "hey Hamas, no biggie, just keep doing what you are doing"? They have to get rid of Hamas. And yes it's an huge humanitarian catastrophe. It's a war and war is brutal. I'm not sure what your expectation is.
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My expectation is that they follow international law in general and specifically international humanitarian law, which is quite literally the expectation of every participant in armed conflict.
Why do you believe the options are either to disregard and/or outright violate international humanitarian law and do nothing? Why is any criticism or judgement under the terms of those expectations synonymous with the suggestion that they shouldn’t be doing anything at all?
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Originally Posted by Saqe
That Hamas is using hospitals as cover? I don't. But then what you're saying is that Israel is targeting purely civilian targets without any other reason than killing civilians. Which wouldn't serve any purpose if the goal is to kill Hamas. Also by evacuating north Gaza it's something they have tried not to do, or at least minimize casualties. So my assumption is that they aren't doing it just for kicks.
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Or, what I’m saying is that Israel is disregarding civilian lives in a way violates their duty to do so in pursuit of Hamas. That evacuating a hospital, which you call “minimizing casualties” and the WHO calls “a death sentence” for those civilians requiring the care of that hospital, will be extremely hard to justify based on the military outcome it achieves.
We know that Israel indiscriminately bombs entire areas. We know that the UN has cited instances of Israel targeting or indiscriminately bombing civilians. We know that Israel has engaged in collective punishment. We know that, among other things, Israel has shown a disregard for Palestinian civilians in the days, weeks, months, and years leading up to this specific period of conflict. History has taught us that… but you’re saying it’s impossible to believe that they’re doing it again… despite people on the ground saying otherwise.
I don’t get it.