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Old 10-14-2023, 09:59 AM   #1422
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Originally Posted by Pointman View Post
Fine. I have a better question for you. What exactly prevents Hamas from releasing hostages? Or, in case they are all dead, admit it.
The hostages are the only card they have that Israel has any interest in.

Why would Hamas trust that giving the hostages back at this point has any actual effect to what Israel is going to do? They have no reason to think that Israel would give them enough water regardless of the hostage situation, because they've already been cutting off water when they feel like it.

That's besides the point anyway, and people keep arguing this from this weird moralistic position where the point WHO is is right or wrong here, which is stupid. They're all just people.

The question is WHAT makes sense, what actions serve a purpose.

Does the bombardment help get the hostages back? Ia it really helping to protect Israeli civilians at this point?.Does cutting the water actually help get the hostages back?

Probably not.

The only way to get the hostages back is to negotiate.

If Israel wants ro re-occupy Gaza, I'm not against that, despite the inevitable civilian casualties, because that would serve a purpose I can accept as reasonable.

Telling 1 million people to be birds and jump off a building to pack up and move in a day does not serve a purpose.

If you want to defend an action by either side, you have to be able to make the case that it serves a real purpose in a somewhat reasonable manner.

That's the opposite of idealism, it's simple utilitarism.

You can't defend doing something insane by saying "well the other people also did something insane". Yes they did. Being insane back at them will not stop them being insane in the future.

It's not about being nice, it's about not adding fuel to the fire.

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