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Originally Posted by Red Slinger
Okay, since you mentioned context...modern Israel wasn't founded because of religious beliefs. I'm sure that was part of it for some, but Jews were looking for a homeland somewhere in the world where they could form their own state and protect themselves, because throughout their entire history they were persecuted wherever they went. Crimea was also considered at some point and possibly other areas. You're take seems pretty simplistic especially in light of looking for context.
At some point, everyone has to get over how we got here and try to make the best of it. In this particular region, Jews can lay claim to the area and so can many other groups including Palestinians. I hope you're not claiming that because the descendants of modern Canadians stole the land and tried to ethnically cleanse them and them placed them in quasi-apartheid conditions, that you'd be okay if they murdered civilians.
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You think I'm okay with Hamas murdering Israelis? That's preposterous. Of course it isn't okay. I'm equally not okay with Israelis murdering Palestinians. Murdering civilians isn't okay, okay? It's absurd that had to be clarified for you.
The land they picked is entirely based on religious reasons. You think it's a coincidence they ended up in the spot they revere in their holy book?
I know Jewish people needed a safe place after the holocaust (let alone before). I wish we offered them somewhere in North America or carved out half of Germany for them. Plunking them in a sh-t-hole desert smack dab in the centre of the middle east where people already live and where they're already vehemently hated was the dumbest spot ever that ensured a forever war for them. It's insane. The only reason it is where it is is because of religion and politics. The religion aspect I roll my eyes at. Sorry, it's stupid. The political side was cruel toward the Jewish people. It's an awful land there with no hope of peace, but works to the benefit of western nations to have a dependent ally violently defending friendly land for us with a terrible human cost.
Everybody had to get over how we got here? Dude. People in Gaza and the West Bank are not going to "get over it" so that's the most simplistic thing you could possibly say. Whatever solutions (I don't believe there are any; I think this experiment was always doomed to fail if we value all human lives on both sides as equal) you propose need to take into account the needs, rights and will of Palestinians, plus a little truth and reconciliation.