Some of the bickering in this thread is through the roof. I'm sure there are a lot of good points from multiple posters with different angles, but you wouldn't think it from the semantic arguments on the most petty things. Chill out all. I'm not informed and want to read more about the various arguments but when someone can't even post a video and others jump on "it's so and so, so it's irrelevant". Isn't that the definition of an ad hominem argument? He could still have relevant points. Anyway, a lot of that here and it's hard to sift through the bitterness. A lot could learn from listening to different views without resorting to bickering.
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