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Originally Posted by GioforPM
A. I never said it was ironb clad.
B. There's no meaningful difference between "armed v unarmed" and "used gun and didn't use gun despite it being available". Except I suppose the latter means guns are even less effective since an actual unarmed person would use other means.
C. Whether you like this report or not, it's what's available. Perhaps you can point to one which shows that firearms are more effectice than otehr means, but I don't think one exists.
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A. You’re defending it like it is.
B. Uh, well, the difference between the two is that people are armed in every incident in the study, so you if you think anyone was unarmed, you didn’t read it. And the most interesting part of the study is the details, including why people didn’t use the guns they were armed with. It’s a cool study and worth a read so… you should do that. All it shows is that whether the gun was used or not, people who are armed all had about the same injury rates (that’s not the same as being unarmed, as unarmed people can not choose whether or not to use a firearm like some people in the study, as they don’t have one). If you want to say unarmed people have the same injury rates as armed people, you have to actually find something that supports that (or just make it up, which is fun too).
C. Why would I do that? I’m not trying to prove anything. In fact, what are you trying to prove? Who are you trying to prove it to? Whether I like the report or not doesn’t matter, I do like it, it just doesn’t say as much as you’re pretending it says, which is OK. It doesn’t have to say anything, but being “what’s available” doesn’t make it the authority on anything, it’s just a study with very specific parameters and limitations, like most studies, but the parameters and limitations are the other thing that makes it interesting. I’m sorry you don’t think so.
Like, if you think this study proves whatever you’re trying to prove, it also proves you’re wrong about handguns, since they were nearly as successful (84%) as bear spray (90%) when you said they weren’t a good option. Seems like, if this study is gospel, then handguns are a good option. And a handgun + bear spray is a great option.