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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
What is "transitioning gender roles on its own"? What does that even entail to you, in a way that excludes transitioning sex? What does gender transition even mean to you?
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The idea that one can present themselves as a man or a woman in terms of outward appearance etc. without physical or hormonal treatments? Again, this is not anything novel.
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Why would they feel they were born in the wrong body? What would make that body feel "wrong"? Think about this a little more.
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There are biological and mental factors outside of gender dysphoria that could influence a person's decision to do so. Are they the most common reasons? Probably not, but that doesn't mean they aren't there. Try not being so condescending for a change.
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Maybe you just need to work on reading and understanding people's posts if you're going to reference them, because that's exactly what Cliff said.
We're talking about gender identity and expression beyond "girls and boys" and into things like non-binary, genderqueer, transgender, etc. and Cliff's position is that any gender identity or any affirmation reinforces norms so we best do without any of it.
In reality, these "labels" and these gender identities beyond "girl" or "boy" that we're "reifying" are moving toward exactly that. So pretending they're part of the problem is absurd, and pretending that nobody is claiming they are is equally so.
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Again, it appears Cliff is specifically talking about affirming gender based on the gender binary when we understand gender to exist on a spectrum. If you want to argue about that more, you can take it up with him, my whole intention was to try and parse what he posted in the first place.