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Old 08-30-2023, 12:27 PM   #232
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Originally Posted by TorqueDog View Post
I actually mis-read your post and missed the second "doesn't" (a double negative, tsk tsk) so I read it as 'That doesn't mean school needs to teach these things to children to prepare them for the work force.' My bad.

That's kind of what I got out of what Cliff was saying too; the very concept of 'transitioning' genders is itself a reinforcement of gender norms, that if we actually stopped grouping behaviors into gender-specific buckets, then transitioning from a man to a woman wouldn't / shouldn't result in any material changes because you'd just do what you wanted to anyway. A boy can play with dolls and wear make-up, a girl can play with Tonka trucks, and vice versa, because those are no longer behaviors or interests ascribed to a specific gender. There would be nothing to transition to because your gender wouldn't define your behaviors, interests, how masculine or feminine your behavior/personality is, etc. Instead of discarding gender as an outdated concept that forces people into these buckets based on arbitrary assignment of these behavior and personality traits, it's reinforcing it. (Transitioning sex is a whole different thing.)

Did I get that right, Cliff?
Transitioning sex is not a whole different thing, it falls within gender transition. Gender transition is changing one’s physical appearance or sex to match their gender identity, which can be either permanent or temporary.

There is no transition that occurs because girls want to play with trucks and very often gender expression is not tied to any formal gender “transition” at all.
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