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Old 08-26-2023, 04:08 PM   #132
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Hmm... but then two random examples of collectivist countries in China and Japan are both majority non-religious (in the 60's% for Japan and the 70's% for China). I think I get what you're trying to say here, but just pointing out that enforcement of social contracts don't require societies to be religious at all.
I agree with you.

In North American society which was build on individualism the church was one of the few things that created a responsibility to the social contract. The west never had a honou and shame to your family type thing outside of the church. Or the communist ideals of China. I’m not saying religion is necessary, I’m saying the loss of religion in a relatively independent leaning society will reduce already low levels of collectivism and community if it isn’t replaced by something.
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