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Originally Posted by Yoho
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Imagine believing that the reason Russia invaded Ukraine had anything to do with the US. This propaganda only works if you believe the lie that Ukraine is not a self determining country. According to this Putin speak it's a helpless bunch of land between NATO and Russia. Do the people of Ukraine deserve a say in how they're governed or is that the right of Putin to decide? How is it America's fault Russia invaded a sovereign nation? To show how incredibly stupid that piece of Russian propaganda is, I'll go over these events one by one but show you how they've simply just removed the people of Ukraine from the equation to make it sound plausible:
In 2004 the US (and all democracies) supported the color revolution. This was not a US intervention but clearly a backlash against Russian led election interference. This was the people's response to what at the very least looked like a cooked election against the pro western parties.
In 2008 I guess the west should not have allowed the elected leaders of Ukraine to ask for NATO membership for fear of angering a dictator that was
already threatening to take over Ukraine and Georgia. Is Ukraine not a country that deserves self determinace here???? I mean, why the hell do you think they wanted NATO membership? To prevent what we're seeing today...
In 2013 the people very clearly wanted to start the process to join the EU. Again, according to Yoho's guru they do not have that choice. That is for Putin to make apparently, will of the people be damned.
In 2014 the US (and the west) should not have backed the people's uprising against Russian pressure. The spark that set off Euromaidan was Yanukovych cancelling the EU accession in favour of Russian deals and loans. Yanukovich was sentenced for high treason for selling out his country. FFS, we have the receipts with Trump's campaign manager Paul Manafort, remember???? He remains the least popular president of all time in Ukraine. This was not a western operation but an uprising against Russian puppetry. Again, remove the will of the people and you can maybe fit it into this narrative.
2015-2022 Now Ukraine is accused of violent suppression and "shelling" the Donbas after Russian militias came in to "help" start a separatist movement. Polling from Ukraine showed no Oblast with more than 30% of the population wishing for a Russian Union, so I have a hard time believing it was so widespread there were so many ready to pick up arms. Again, the people have no agency, they are just a pawn to be dictated to by the West or Putin
2021-2022 the US should've signed Putin's blackmail. So after invading Ukraine in 2014 and after US intelligence knows Putin is going to invade Ukraine for the second time, NATO should sign Putin's ultimatum????? Ukraine was not in NATO at the time, no movement was being made in that regard, and Ukraine was openly frustrated that it looked like an empty promise. Suddenly Putin is amassing forces on the border in late 2021, why exactly??? Once again, Ukraine is just land between NATO and Russia for Putin to decide the fate of.
2022-now the west should ignore the Ukranian's desire not to have their people tortured like in the occupied territories and the US should sign away Ukraine's rights without their consent? I'm not sure why it's the US' role to negotiate with Russia here. Again, they invaded Ukraine, not the US. If there's to be a peace deal, Ukraine is signing it, not the US.
I know Yoho isn't going to respond like he hasn't for the last 100 trolling posts, but it needs to be rebutted