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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Yes, Suniev was a 3rd round pick - saying you ranked him higher doesn't change that it was still a 3rd round pick. However, let's also remember - and concede - that this was an incredibly deep draft, and the 3rd round pick was worth much more than a typical 3rd (many scouts suggest Suniev would be a late 1st or early 2nd in most drafts). So simply saying the return for Toffoli was Sharangovich + 3rd, is also a bit misleading, because this 3rd was not like most 3rds.
As for Suniev specifically, the Flames did have him ranked much higher, and had his name on a jersey for their 2nd round pick - so suggesting he's more of a 2nd round pick is not at all unreasonable (both sides of that argument are valid).
And no, they did not have a nameplate for Morin, as they did not think he would make it to 48. They were going to take Suniev, but pivoted to Morin when he was still available. Then got Suniev at 80, regardless.
And yes, to the poster that said they probably take the same players if they got NJ's 45 instead of 80, yes, they would have taken Morin at 45 and Suniev at 48.
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That’s why we need to separate the trade and the draft. Sharangovich and a third is a disappointing return, but seems to be the market. I don’t believe we should consider the 3rd as a second just because it was a good draft class. It’s still the 80th best pick this draft.
Now, I believe the Flames may have gotten a steal with who they picked, and got a better, potentially much better than the 80th best player. So overall the net situation is ok, but it still doesn’t change the fact that the trade itself was underwhelming.