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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
Hey if you want to share a link and time stamp, sure. I’ll give a listen, why not
I’m not even particularly interested in defending Hartley, he’s well in the rear view mirror. That’s someone else’s narrative
I’m arguing the absurd simple statements that don’t really make sense in light of readily available information
Trash hire? That comes across as a pretty stupid oversimplification. It’s not black and white. He was brought in to blow up the country club and instill a culture change, involving work ethic. Did he do that? I think so. Was it a job that was going to make him universally popular, much less with the dead weight? Doubtful
He made big changes, got a team to overachieve (or play to their potential), won the Jack Adams, and gave people hanging on to the ####ing zombie corpse of 2004 hope. Even Stajan admitted he brought a lot of things the already f’d up team needed.
But people sagely nod in the echo chamber and basically say he’s full on ####. It’s typical of the polar mentality that is being ingrained in people these days. It’s pretty disappointing.
He sure left some road rash and burnt bridges, but he’s certainly not the single face of the decades of dysfunction.
And this all started with some unsubstantiated rumour of sage veteran players (and given his mandate, not Hartley’s automatic favourites) saying he was ruining one particular rookie who just had a promising season. Please
Good lord. For years the team was branded as coach killers. Stajan gets on the podcast, spells out how the team mutinied, and everybody is sagely nodding about the big bad coach.
Not a wee bit of irony there?
The more you wish to distill a complex and multi dimensional issue in to a single drive by quality statement, the poorer off you are
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Totally. Everyone else is wrong/illogical/echo chamber/doing drive-bys/etc. Everybody is wrong and their player stories are lies/made-up/misinterpreted. It’s like, SO complex. Like, how could anyone possibly distill this issue down. It’s SO complex.
This is definitely a normal and very cool way to deal with information that doesn’t match your previously held perception. I like watching this. It’s like, here we were just having a normal one chatting Bob Hartley and then noted liar Bingo shares a story (an obvious lie) about how players felt at the time? Can’t let that stand. Noted poor thinker CroFlames sums up his feelings in a sentence? Pfft, no drive-bys on your watch! Very, very cool.
I’m now of the feeling that Bob Hartley’s time on the Flames was vapour. Ungraspable, complex, beautiful, dangerous, iconic, problematic, inspired. Total legend.