I wouldn't dismiss the opinons of Warrener and especially Stajan on the basis that they were "bubble players" (they weren't anyway). They were solid pros who played for different teams and carved out nice careers. I'd take their opinions on a coach over an elite player who probably got treated under different rules. Plus it seems like the likes of Backlund and Gio were of the same opinion.
I agree with Estrada - there's a lot of defending of really bad behaviour here, and it's weird to me that one fluke season can have so much impact on opinion. Or maybe it was the public persona - one of those two players said media Hartkey was 180 degrees from dressing room Hartley.
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