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Old 07-18-2023, 04:06 PM   #12031
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Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
It would probably allow Putin to declare victory within Russia, and allow him to maintain power, whereas a convincing loss (with no Ukrainian territory) would leave his regime in a much more precarious state.

So its not just about the land, its about the narrative of 'who won', which is pretty important.
For this to end. Russia likely needs to save face. Once again, Russia was already in control much of the east of the country.


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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist View Post
Would conceding land after all this really incentivize Russia to fight again? Yes. You answered your question in the next sentence.

What happened after they invaded Georgia? Moldova? This is already the result of invading Ukraine the first time.

The better question would be: How would conceding territory stop Putin's expansionist aggression?
The other wars were nothing like this one. Russia has been pummeled and they've ran through their weapons storages and goodwill. I can't imagine another Russian leader wanting to replicate what happened in Ukraine. Except next time, without weapon stores to draw on, without most of their trained troops, and likely without support from Wagner.

Russia, for propaganda purposes, can call a withdrawal a win all they want, but it's a clear loss.
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