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Originally Posted by Burninator

What? You must not be making your piont clearly or I misunderstood because you just supported my point which is: having guns = oppurtunity for people to kill people with guns. Not having guns = less oppurtunity to kill people with guns. What flaw are you getting at?

So who wouldn't have the guns? The law-abiding citizen, or the criminal? The US has no problem letting illegals into their country, why would they care any less about guns?

A gun does not equal an opportunity to kill people. According to that statement, we should ban knives too, because they kill people as well. In fact, I would venture to say if there were no guns, people would kill each other with knives, or something else.

So your problem is not the guns, but the fact that people WANT to kill each other.

Does everyone do this with their gun? Didn't think so.

Well if you read my posts a little better, you would see that I fully advocate proper training for anyone that owns a firearm. I have stated that since the start of this thread.

This is the first I've heard you making this point. Before it was it a choice, not you want it mandatory?

Did I ever suggest otherwise? It is a choice yes....I want it mandatory. Get it?

That's a poor argument. I can't kill someone with my alcohol. I can kill them with my car, but not with alcohol.

Even better. Let us ban cars, because clearly, they kill people. Let us all use public transportation. Not only would you cut down on ALL car related accidents, but you would clean up the environment. Assuming that global warming is strictly a human-caused problem.

Don't respond to that point...not in this thread.

Also, it is very easy to regulate cars...as they are rather obvious. Much easier than regulating alcohol. And even easier than regulating guns.

I cannot hold up a beer to someone and kill them. A gun can. If I want to drink myself to death I can. You shooting me with a gun is not my choice.

So we finally agree. It is not the fault of the alcohol that you drink that makes you delirious and unresponsive causing you to run into another car killing all the passengers....but rather the person drinking the alcohol, who made that decision. So rather than banning alcohol, you would be much wiser to educate everyone that drinking and driving is not right, and should never under any circumstances be done by anyone. Just like shooting an innocent person with a gun is not right, and neither should it be done. Of course it doesn't help that people in the US live in a society where violence is often glorified. You see it daily on TV.

What's your point? I never said it was possible to get rid of all the guns. I know that. So why is that an argument in favour of keeping guns? You cannot deny that making guns completely illegal to buy would decrease their numbers ten fold.

I disagree. Banning guns would only take them out of the hands of the law-abiding citizen, not the criminal. A criminal will not obey a law imposing a gun ban upon all civilians. You will certainly decrease accidental gun deaths, but thats like saying if we ban cars, we would decrease car related deaths ten fold. When do your rights as a free-law abiding citizen come into effect?

I have been advocating all along that gun safety is a good idea. But that doesn't mean you should still be able to buy them. Guns do not have to be a facade of our society.

Wells it good that you advocate gun safety. You do not like guns, so don't own or buy one. But don't take away my right to do that.

And if you are going to responded I suggest you do so in a more polite manner this time. I don't appreciate being called ignorant because I don't agree with you.