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Old 07-13-2023, 03:26 PM   #11967
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I agree but there appears still be cracks and fears about pissing off Russia, poking the bear so to speak.



That is why there has been hesitation to provide Ukraine with a lot more of the equipment, fighter jet's and more.



It's NATO kind of walking on egg shells in a lot of ways. We won't train pilots on F16's from a year ago, yet Ukraine has lost a lot of it's top pilots. They are now starting the process that will be 4-6 months.



We needed a huge NATO wide effort to get them 100 of the best tanks, yet Ukraine is saying that need more than 300 as a starting point.



I just hope in the end it doesn't end up being a massive loss because we played the battle a little too conservatively.
Ukraine needs to ask for the moon in order to get what they need. They also need to ask now for what they will need later as it takes months to procure.

Russia has lost the war already. Everything has gotten vastly worse for them. NATO is much stronger and now includes Sweden and Finland, with Ukraine likely to become a member at some point. Their army has been decimated and capabilities vastly diminished. Subordinate states no longer fear Russia's aggression. Economically, it will take years if not decades to recover what they've lost and demographically they're crushed. The only "victory" available here is some type of frozen conflict so they don't appear to have been defeated. That's the best they can hope for and some in the west seem to prefer that outcome because they're afraid of the consequences of a Russian defeat. It's a cowardly position wrapped in false pragmatism
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