View Single Post
Old 07-13-2023, 09:04 AM   #11955
CroFlames
Franchise Player
 
CroFlames's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist View Post
War and attrition are not homogeneous. The defenders are fighting against having their land taken, their family members tortured, their children stolen, and having a 4 year old perform oral sex on a Russian soldier in front of their family. The Ukrainians have something worth dying for. Russia doesn't. Sadly, that has to reach a culmination. Russia doesn't have unlimited reserves and are already making tough decisions on where to fortify and where to retreat. Bakhmut is getting slowly encircled and the line is moving. It doesn't move in increments forever.

This is Russian propaganda. Yes some Bradley's have been hit (estimates are 15-20) and a handful of Leopard tanks. This is war. Nobody gave them to Ukraine and said you can't lose them. The purpose of using Bradley's is to safely get soldiers in and out of the battle and so far that's worked almost flawlessly. They're way safer than the other Soviet IFV death traps they have. Where do you get morale is low? I don't see all the videos complaining about being sent to meat assaults without weapons like the Russians have

NATO certainly didn't give Zelensky the cold shoulder. I mean, first of all the whole summit was about Ukraine and he was the guest of honor. Secondly, they announced significant increases in materiel procurement. Lastly, they were given security guarantees and told NATO membership is a discussion for after the way which was always going to be the case. I've only seen the "cold shoulder" reports on Russian outlets.
Plus this part from yesterday:

Quote:
PRESIDENT BIDEN: Well, Mr. President, welcome. And I hope you all got a sense today from all my colleagues that — how — how much that you have — how much support you have. It’s real. And I hope we finally have put to bed the notion about whether or not Ukraine is welcome in NATO. It’s going to happen....

....And I look forward to the day when we’re having the meeting celebrating your official — official membership in NATO.

So, thank you for what you’re doing.

And the bad news for you is: We’re not going anywhere. (Laughter.) You’re stuck with us.

Well, thank you.

PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY: Thank you very much, Mr. President.
Source: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...ius-lithuania/
CroFlames is offline   Reply With Quote