[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Azure

Simple really? If its so simple, why can't I reverse your argument...meaning by not having guns, it closes the doors to people abusing guns and killing people?

Can't you even see the flaw in your own argument?

What? You must not be making your piont clearly or I misunderstood because you just supported my point which is: having guns = oppurtunity for people to kill people with guns. Not having guns = less oppurtunity to kill people with guns. What flaw are you getting at?

I have the right as an American citizen, living in the United States, to own a handgun. I own it in a safe manner, and teach my children proper gun safety to make sure they are responsible as well. Why should MY handgun be taken away?

Does everyone do this with their gun? Didn't think so. I couldn't care less about your second amendment as I live in Canada and frankly if you Americans want to blow each others brains out across the boarder, then feel free to exercise that right. Just because the law says you can own a gun, doesn't mean the law can change. Your amendment says right to bear arms. So then why "the dumbest thing you ever heard" that I posted below not give you the right to own a missle? That's an "arm".

You're a little ignorant, aren't you? Of course, as someone who lives in a society where guns are largely frowned upon, where handguns and assault rifles are largely illegal, I'm not surprised.

Perhaps you would learn a bit from going to Google and typing in gun training.

The way you talked about this training was that it was something everyone took. Which is far from the truth. The people who take gun safety courses are the ones least likely to abuse their guns. Not because they took the course but because they have the mind set not to abuse guns. The people are committing gun related crimes surely don't take a safety course. An involuntary gun safety course is useless in preventing crimes because the ones who are going to commit the crimes aren't going to take them.

So anyone who defends them self is a killer? Seriously, you're really pulling these comments out of nowhere, and again, you are showing total ignorance on the subject.

Is everyone who has taken gun courses, firearms safety, handgun training...all our military members who train day and night to protect us...are they all killers? Because that is exactly what you just said.

I am advocating some sort of gun safety course for anyone who buys a firearm. Just like driving a car....first you need a license.

Ignorance eh? Guns are made for killing. People in the military are trained to kill people. No dancing around that. I did not say that someone who defends themselves is automatically a killer or they are actively going out and killing people. But there are so many excessive gun deaths. And by that I mean that a gun was not needed to defend ones self.

Correction - there is no law 'requiring' that you take proper safety training for the firearm that you own. Not in Canada, nor in the US.

I never said there was. Please read more carefully.

Well my point is that it should be made mandatory for anyone that owns a firearm. Of course you could be subjective and apply it only to handguns.

But how many gun-related accidents would you stop by enforcing this training?

This is the first I've heard you making this point. Before it was it a choice, not you want it mandatory?

Why should I even respond to that?

Seriously, if you're just going to talk crap, and respond like an idiot, why should I respond?

Nice attitude you got there. At least I had the courtesy to respond to you in a civil manner without name calling. You don't have to respond, no one is putting a gun to you head. (ha! see how clever I am?)

I only used alcohol as a comparison because many, many people die from alcohol related accidents each year. Here in Canada, more die from alcohol related accidents than they do from gun-crimes.

That's a poor argument. I can't kill someone with my alcohol. I can kill them with my car, but not with alcohol. I cannot hold up a beer to someone and kill them. A gun can. If I want to drink myself to death I can. You shooting me with a gun is not my choice.

Well you're not going to solve this by adding more alcohol to the equation, right? Just like you're not going to solve gun crimes by adding more guns? So why not 'ban' alcohol, just like you want to 'ban' guns...especially assault rifles and handguns, and presto, all alcohol related crime is gone. Or not....because there exists this thing called the black-market....and it will ALWAYS exist, no matter how many laws you pass, or how many bans you impose.

What's your point? I never said it was possible to get rid of all the guns. I know that. So why is that an argument in favour of keeping guns? You cannot deny that making guns completely illegal to buy would decrease their numbers ten fold.

Therefore, your only solution is like Thunderball said. You try to dictate the demand. Teach someone to not drink and drive, like they did while I was in school, and most of us won't. Teach us about gun safety, and you'll seriously cut down on accidental crimes. You will NOT EVER stop gun related crime. A criminal has the personality of breaking the law, not obeying it. Therefore he will pass his gun in to the police when you impose a gun ban.

Look at the Swiss....their young men are all brought up in the vicinity of firearms. They train with them for a certain amount of time. How much gun related crime do they have?

I have been advocating all along that gun safety is a good idea. But that doesn't mean you should still be able to buy them. Guns do not have to be a facade of our society.

And if you are going to responded I suggest you do so in a more polite manner this time. I don't appreciate being called ignorant because I don't agree with you.