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Originally Posted by Burninator

No one has a problem with that. It's when on the way to the firing range I cut you off in traffic and you shoot me in the face. No one has a problem with safe gun use. But just having guns opens the door to people abusing guns and killing people. It's simply really.

Simple really? If its so simple, why can't I reverse your argument...meaning by not having guns, it closes the doors to people abusing guns and killing people?

Can't you even see the flaw in your own argument?

Ah yes, the typical you can't get rid of every gun, so we shouldn't ban them argument. That makes perfect sense. We either have to solve the problem 100% or not at all. You gun people are so paranoid. You think that because you don't have a gun on you, you're going to get shot the second you walk out into the street.

I have the right as an American citizen, living in the United States, to own a handgun. I own it in a safe manner, and teach my children proper gun safety to make sure they are responsible as well. Why should MY handgun be taken away?

What is this "proper training" you keep bringing up? Sounds pretty fairy tale to me. A gun safety course and a gun self defense course are a little different.

You're a little ignorant, aren't you? Of course, as someone who lives in a society where guns are largely frowned upon, where handguns and assault rifles are largely illegal, I'm not surprised.

Perhaps you would learn a bit from going to Google and typing in gun training.

So you suppose that we should train people to be effective with their gun in a self defense situation? Remind me why we should train more people to be killers?

So anyone who defends them self is a killer? Seriously, you're really pulling these comments out of nowhere, and again, you are showing total ignorance on the subject.

Is everyone who has taken gun courses, firearms safety, handgun training...all our military members who train day and night to protect us...are they all killers? Because that is exactly what you just said.

I am advocating some sort of gun safety course for anyone who buys a firearm. Just like driving a car....first you need a license.

Who takes this "proper training"? My only guess would be people in the military. There is no law stating that you have to take a gun safety or a gun defense course, perhaps there should be one, but as of right now there is no proper training for gun owners.

Correction - there is no law 'requiring' that you take proper safety training for the firearm that you own. Not in Canada, nor in the US.

It is a moot point unless it is mandatory.

Well my point is that it should be made mandatory for anyone that owns a firearm. Of course you could be subjective and apply it only to handguns.

But how many gun-related accidents would you stop by enforcing this training?

Oh you got me here. You have used my logic and sent it back firing into my temple. But where is my right to own an ICBM? Where is my right to trade in my sedan for a armored tank? If I am getting attacked by a person with a knife I should pull out my gun and defend myself, if I didn't have my gun I would be out matched and die for sure. If I am getting attacked by a person with a gun I should pull out my RPG and send them back the stone age, a straight gun on gun battle is coin flip as to who will live. I would hope you don't advocate this type of weaponry being legal (and I am sure you don't) but don't you think there should be a line? Why is the gun the end all be all? Banning guns isn't going to end crime. But if a person is robbing you with a knife instead of a gun chances are your survival is better.

Why should I even respond to that?

Seriously, if you're just going to talk crap, and respond like an idiot, why should I respond?

I only used alcohol as a comparison because many, many people die from alcohol related accidents each year. Here in Canada, more die from alcohol related accidents than they do from gun-crimes.

Well you're not going to solve this by adding more alcohol to the equation, right? Just like you're not going to solve gun crimes by adding more guns? So why not 'ban' alcohol, just like you want to 'ban' guns...especially assault rifles and handguns, and presto, all alcohol related crime is gone. Or not....because there exists this thing called the black-market....and it will ALWAYS exist, no matter how many laws you pass, or how many bans you impose.

Therefore, your only solution is like Thunderball said. You try to dictate the demand. Teach someone to not drink and drive, like they did while I was in school, and most of us won't. Teach us about gun safety, and you'll seriously cut down on accidental crimes. You will NOT EVER stop gun related crime. A criminal has the personality of breaking the law, not obeying it. Therefore he will pass his gun in to the police when you impose a gun ban.

Look at the Swiss....their young men are all brought up in the vicinity of firearms. They train with them for a certain amount of time. How much gun related crime do they have?